[SURBL-Discuss] general questions.....

Chris Santerre csanterre at MerchantsOverseas.com
Wed Nov 24 16:14:05 CET 2004

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Jeff Chan [mailto:jeffc at surbl.org]
>Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 6:24 PM
>To: 'SURBL Discussion list'
>Subject: Re: [SURBL-Discuss] general questions.....
>> We have seen numerous times a legit company sending a newsletter to a
>> spamtrap. Numerous reasons and excuses. But they never would 
>have known
>> about it if they were not listed. And I think if they send 
>to a spamtrap we
>> have a right to list. Regardless of how legit, it is a 
>wakeup call because
>> obviously something went wrong to send to a spamtrap. 
>IMO, It's not our job to "educate" legitimate companies about
>how to use email. 

Who's job is it?  That line scares me. You want to solve the spam problem?
You can't do that with a narrow net. You must fight war on all fronts. You
educate the legit users on what not to do. This has been all over the news
recently. Everyone thinks everyone else is a spammer, but not them.

I'm also VERY surprised at your comment. More then a few time YOU have
educated people who have contacted us for removal from SURBL. 

>We want to list as many true spammer domains
>as we can find and also prevent legitimate domains from being

Again, legit? Once ANY company hits a spamtrap, IMHO, they are no longer
legit. Not until they find out how they hit that trap. Possibly they
purchased, as in gave money to a spammer, a list. With education, they will
NOT do that again. Thus reducing income for spammers. Possibly they have an
xploitable web subscription form? How the hell would they know unless
someone tells them?

>The goal with a greylist should be to cast a wider net but
>to eventually filter those down to some truly black entries
>that can be listed more broadly on full blacklists.

My goal is to stop spam. Using any method. Education is probably THE biggest
way to do this.  Imagine if all the clueles users suddenly could spot 100%
of spam emails, and NOT fall for them. Problem solved. 

Its the whole teach a man to fish thing. And I'm not rehashing the argument
about SURBL. I clearly state I DO NO list what I want to list. I list what
makes Jeff happy :) 


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