[SURBL-Discuss] Re: uk DOT geocities DOT com
Jeff Chan
jeffc at surbl.org
Thu Oct 13 08:21:59 CEST 2005
On Wednesday, October 12, 2005, 6:28:48 PM, Frank Ellermann wrote:
> Jeff Chan wrote:
>>> If "sc2" will have some shortcut resulting in essentially
>>> the same input it's of course fine,
>> It's not the same input; it's a direct, private database
>> query into SpamCop. Some of the data may be the same, some
>> may not be.
> With "essentially the same input" I meant the manual spam
> reports, spam where SC tried to find some spamvertized URLs.
Yes, it's probably mostly the same content or at least the same
original source (SpamCop reports).
> Good news, SC now uses a working abuse address also for the
> geocities crap, example link taken from their "stats" page:
> http://www.spamcop.net/sc?track=http://www geocities com/ghadifabecergil/
That just means the parsing is probably working correctly, which
of course is a good first step.
> (add missing dots for a working URL). So now I'd expect that
> this "vote" later shows up on your WL hit list for geocities.
>> I don't want to talk about it further since these are the
>> private arrangements between SpamCop and Yahoo.
> There's nothing private about the new used reporting address,
> network-abuse at cc.yahoo-inc.com is just what ARIN says.
That's not the private Yahoo reporting address.
>> The less we reveal to spammers the better.
> It has still to be enough that I can trust it. Something is
> phishy if geocities gets some extra-processing only because
> they are big. For a spamvertized geocities URL SpamCop now
> needs 40 (!) reloads of the parsing until it finds the IP -
> and that's the bad news.
I'm not sure how you are determining this, but if you think
there's a problem with SpamCop's processing you may want to
document it and let them know. Please remember that they are
trying to stop spam too. They are not the enemy.
> I've no idea what the problem is, but it wouldn't surprise me
> if somebody working from within Yahoo! tries to play games with
> SpamCop. OTOH I'd doubt that these persons control everything,
> maybe network-abuse at cc.yahoo-inc stops this "insider business".
Far more likely Yahoo is a very big, rapidly-growing company with
many different departments that don't always coordinate things.
Jeff C.
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