[SURBL-Discuss] URL shortener abuse data

Jeff Chan jeffc at surbl.org
Mon Dec 21 15:23:15 CET 2009

On 12/20/09, Ron Guerin <ron at vnetworx.net> wrote:
> As I've mentioned here before, I write an open source URL shortening
>  service.  I also operate one publicly since that was the only way I was
>  ever going to get useful real world data to work with.  To look at the
>  code though, you'd think I run an anti-abuse system that also shortens
>  URLs.  So goes the Internet I guess.   While I have a tiny number of
>  users relative to any URL shortening service you've ever heard of,  a
>  couple of thousand people have downloaded the software, and I'm aware of
>  a couple of dozen public installations.  Between all the ones that may
>  be out there, we might just produce enough abuse data to make it worth
>  someone's while to use it.
>  As I'm about to do a lot of work on the software in preparation for a
>  new release, I'd like to get anyone's thoughts about the following:
>  1.  Interest: Is anyone interested in using URI abuse data produced by
>  URL shorteners?
>  2. Ideal way to supply the data: I'd rather supply it to SURBL or some
>  other well-run URI BL for inclusion in an existing URI BL service than
>  operate one for this purpose.  I'm looking to use anything that remotely
>  resembles standards for everyone's sake, rather than re-invent the wheel.
>  3. Trust/Reputation:  I've discovered on a couple of occasions that I'd
>  been using on my mail server abuse data from shoddily run operations,
>  and frankly this is much much worse than getting some spam.  I don't
>  intend to be Yet Another Irresponsible BL Operator running an absentee
>  automated blocklist data source.  Yet, in order to have enough data to
>  be worth sending somewhere, I'm going to need to accept input from my
>  users, both of the service, and of the source code.  I plan on doing
>  something similar to Craigslist whereby people can report abuse from the
>  web site and a certain number of complaints will disable the
>  redirection.  As for my source code users, I think I need some kind of
>  reputation system.  Any thoughts about this would be appreciated.
>  - Ron

[off list]

Hi Ron,
SURBL may be interested in evaluating your data.  Do you have a sample
or test list to share?


Jeff C.

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