[SURBL-Discuss] Notification of Blacklist Status

Steve Sobol sjsobol at justthe.net
Sat Jul 4 16:52:10 CEST 2009


All that matters is if the problem is fixed. And now you're flat-out refusing to answer the question "is it fixed".

I don't make such decisions, but since you can't or won't answer that question, I can't see much justification for delisting you.

Steve Sobol, Victorville, CA
sjsobol at JustThe.net

----- Original Message -----
From: "Petros Kolyvas" <pk at shiftfocus.ca>
To: "SURBL Discussion list" <discuss at lists.surbl.org>
Cc: "SURBL Discussion list" <discuss at lists.surbl.org>
Sent: Saturday, July 4, 2009 6:38:16 AM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject: Re: [SURBL-Discuss] Notification of Blacklist Status

I think it's clear that after having done everything I could. From  
research to filing a removal request to contacting my web host, I was  
not complaining.

There's a huge difference between pointing out when something is  
broken and complaining.

It's as if all the admins don't understand that a shared host isn't  
limited to one site. And that we don't run that host. And that our  
host even provided the SURBL whitelisters with a statement saying we  
had nothing to do with it.

I remain fully confident that my arguments about broken processes are  
sound and had they be carefully read at least some modicum of  
understanding of the situation would arise.

It is unfortunate that a blacklist should itself be blacklisted.

I will no longe attempt to discuss the matter since it was clear last  
night that no one was actually considering what  was being said.

Thankfully I have received a huge amount of off-list support from  
those who have been in the same situation and realize now that this is  
not the first time something like this has happened.

Good luck to you all.

ShiftFocus Media
for arts and education

Phone: 514.667.9778 ext. 231
Fax: 866.850.5451

42 Milner Street
Montreal, Quebec
H4X 2H5

On 2009-07-04, at 3:26 AM, Steve Sobol <sjsobol at justthe.net> wrote:

> Maybe instead of having an attitude, you should understand that  
> you're exposing your organization to a lot of liability by not  
> fixing your problem, if in fact you haven't fixed it yet.
> If you haven't fixed it yet, you need to stop whining on this  
> mailing list, and go fix it ASAP. If you're avoiding the questions  
> posed to you earlier in this thread, I imagine that you *haven't*  
> fixed anything yet.
> Break-ins happen. But if you don't fix the damage, you could be  
> opening yourself up for civil damages or criminal charges (I'm not a  
> lawyer, and I am not familiar with Canadian law; I'm assuming things  
> up there work in a similar manner to the way they work in the US).
> This is *not* a threat. I have no intention of pursuing legal action  
> against you. I'm just stating the cold, hard facts.
> -- 
> Steve Sobol, Victorville, CA
> sjsobol at JustThe.net
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