Discuss December 2004

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] not spam URL - http://www.templatezone.com/
by Chris Santerre 17 Dec '04

17 Dec '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Chan [mailto:jeffc@surbl.org] >Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 7:10 PM >To: Russ Ringer >Cc: discuss(a)lists.surbl.org >Subject: Re: [SURBL-Discuss] not spam URL - >http://www.templatezone.com/ > > >On Thursday, December 16, 2004, 3:41:33 PM, Russ Ringer wrote: >> http://www.templatezone.com/ is just a place to get templates >> It should not be in SURBL > >They look like a legitimate business, but also sell some kind of >mailing software: > > http://www.templatezone.com/html-email-software/high-impact-email.asp > >"Affordable email marketing for business professionals > >Energize your email marketing messages with High Impact eMail >3.0. Get your recipient's attention. Get noticed. Stand out. Get >the results you want." > > >I lean towards whitelisting, but might like to hear why the WS >guys originally added them (long ago): > >/home/wstearns/black-wstearns-sa-blacklist.200406281446.domains >:templatezone.com > >Any comments WS folks? While I think any company that sells mass email software that is used to send spam should be blacklisted, this case isn't straight black. Their software isn't one of the larger ratware packages, and it is more legit. Yes it has been used to send spam. No doubt about that. But those seem to have other, more evil, URLs in them. So we could hit off of those. Against my draconian seasond crank beliefs ,I would vote to Whitelist them. --Chris

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] Thunderbird and SURBL?
by Chris Santerre 17 Dec '04

17 Dec '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Tim A [mailto:tim-surbl@kosmo.com] >Sent: Thursday, December 16, 2004 4:37 PM >To: discuss(a)lists.surbl.org >Subject: RE: [SURBL-Discuss] Thunderbird and SURBL? > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jeff Chan <jeffc(a)surbl.org> >> Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:21:59 -0800 >> Subject: Re: [SURBL-Discuss] Thunderbird and SURBL? >> To: "SURBL Discussion list (E-mail)" <discuss(a)lists.surbl.org> >> >> On Monday, December 13, 2004, 8:14:51 AM, Chris Santerre wrote: >> > Thinking out loud.... >> >> > Anyone have contact with thunderbird devs? Could a pop >proxy be used to >> > check emails being downloaded by thunderbird on SURBL, >then decline to >> > download the ones that hit? Obviously with whitelist bypasses? >> >> > Then the user could use a web client to delete spams without >> > downloading? Or >> > whatever..... >> >> That's an interesting idea, but it could generate more DNS >> traffic than our name servers can handle. It's probably >> better to do these kinds of things in a centralized way >> on mail servers to take advantage of DNS caching, etc. >> more strongly. > >Since we provide a service to do just this using SURBL >hopefully this isn't taken as a spam to this list. I thought >it would be >useful for folks at SURBL and list members to know who use >SURBL. Perhaps a list should be kept somewhere listing folks making >use of SURBL. > >We have high regards for the SURBL folks and it is in the mix >of many methods we use to combat spam at SimpleFilter. We have a >POP3 and SMTP service that uses the same backend anti-spam >engine and can be used from Thunderbird as it works with any POP3 >email client. The SMTP service has some additional features I >won't go into here. > Hi Tim! Are you saying you will check during download and not download the messege if it thinks it is spam? Cause that would give you an A+ in my book! And secondly, please make sure you have a local whitelist! We have seen other companies using SURBL that don't whitelist the top doamins, like yahoo.com, w3.org, google.com,........ Those kinds of domains should be skipped from being looked up. We do have a list on surbl.org. Granted it isn't very prominent. :) Perhaps Jeff will add you? --Chris

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not spam URL - http://www.templatezone.com/
by Russ Ringer 17 Dec '04

17 Dec '04

http://www.templatezone.com/ is just a place to get templates It should not be in SURBL

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] Thunderbird and SURBL?
by Tim A 16 Dec '04

16 Dec '04

> -----Original Message----- > From: Jeff Chan <jeffc(a)surbl.org> > Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2004 17:21:59 -0800 > Subject: Re: [SURBL-Discuss] Thunderbird and SURBL? > To: "SURBL Discussion list (E-mail)" <discuss(a)lists.surbl.org> > > On Monday, December 13, 2004, 8:14:51 AM, Chris Santerre wrote: > > Thinking out loud.... > > > Anyone have contact with thunderbird devs? Could a pop proxy be used to > > check emails being downloaded by thunderbird on SURBL, then decline to > > download the ones that hit? Obviously with whitelist bypasses? > > > Then the user could use a web client to delete spams without > > downloading? Or > > whatever..... > > That's an interesting idea, but it could generate more DNS > traffic than our name servers can handle. It's probably > better to do these kinds of things in a centralized way > on mail servers to take advantage of DNS caching, etc. > more strongly. Since we provide a service to do just this using SURBL hopefully this isn't taken as a spam to this list. I thought it would be useful for folks at SURBL and list members to know who use SURBL. Perhaps a list should be kept somewhere listing folks making use of SURBL. We have high regards for the SURBL folks and it is in the mix of many methods we use to combat spam at SimpleFilter. We have a POP3 and SMTP service that uses the same backend anti-spam engine and can be used from Thunderbird as it works with any POP3 email client. The SMTP service has some additional features I won't go into here.

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FP rate
by RD 16 Dec '04

16 Dec '04

Hello List, Is there an available % FP rate for SC and JP ? I thought I should ask to help me decide whether I should keep dropping e-mails w/ blacklisted URIs. Regards, -rd

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RE: Geocities (Spammers, Joe Jobbers, & Pron Spam)
by Rob McEwen 15 Dec '04

15 Dec '04

RE: Geocities (Spammers, Joe Jobbers, & Pron Spam) Over the past few months, I've had an enormous amount of problems with e-mail which either: --was spam advertising a geocities hosted web site --was child-pron spam advertising a geocities... --was one of the previous two, but a joe jobs against me (interestingly, the joe jobs against me started just AFTER I began reporting the child-pron spams... I wonder if my complaint e-mails to geocities were "shared" with the wrong people?) I know that Geocities does police their system and they do kick off spammers and kiddie-pron. However, it is getting to the point out of all the mail coming to my server which contain a geocities address, at least half of these fit into one of these categories. Also, new geocities sites involved in this behavior pop up just as fast at the old accounts are terminated. (BTW - one common tactic is for the homes page to still be the initial splash page and the actual child pron content is then "buried" inside. The Geocities admins need to know this and "dig deeper" to keep this stuff out on the front end of the process.) Maybe if enough of the right people get this message, Geocities will clean up their act? Any suggestions? Rob McEwen

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foothill .net Joe jobbed?
by Chris Santerre 15 Dec '04

15 Dec '04

I see lots of NANAE and NANAS hits for foothill .net, but they all seem to be Joe Jobs. Anyone know why? Are they legit? They have requested removal from SURBL listing. I'm leaning towards removal at this point. Chris Santerre System Admin and SARE/SURBL Ninja http://www.rulesemporium.com http://www.surbl.org 'It is not the strongest of the species that survives, not the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change.' Charles Darwin

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RE: MISC: rm04.net, silverpop.com
by Chris Santerre 14 Dec '04

14 Dec '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Todd Vierling [mailto:tv@DUH.ORG] >Sent: Tuesday, December 14, 2004 10:30 AM >To: SPAM-L(a)PEACH.EASE.LSOFT.COM >Subject: Re: MISC: rm04.net, silverpop.com > > >On Tue, 14 Dec 2004, Chris Santerre wrote: > >> This morning I received a spam from silverpop. They have >been known to be >> pretty whitehat. > >Interesting planet on which you live. They've been blanket >blocked here >due to severe lack of closed-loop confirmation since early 2003, and to >this day, they still try to whack my server several times a month. 8-) > >-- >-- Todd Vierling <tv(a)duh.org> <tv(a)pobox.com> I just got off the phone with Mr. Roberts. He is very pleasant. He even knows you Todd :) He is looking into the UCE I received this morning. They still seem white'ish in my eyes. Will see what happens. --Chris

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Thunderbird and SURBL?
by Chris Santerre 14 Dec '04

14 Dec '04

Thinking out loud.... Anyone have contact with thunderbird devs? Could a pop proxy be used to check emails being downloaded by thunderbird on SURBL, then decline to download the ones that hit? Obviously with whitelist bypasses? Then the user could use a web client to delete spams without downloading? Or whatever..... Chris Santerre System Admin and SARE/SURBL Ninja http://www.rulesemporium.com http://www.surbl.org 'It is not the strongest of the species that survives, not the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change.' Charles Darwin

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] surebase.com?
by Chris Santerre 13 Dec '04

13 Dec '04

> >I don't think Deerfield has anything to do with surebase.com >except as registrar, or it's a joe job against Deerfield. > That was my first thought as well. --Chris

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