Discuss June 2004

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] Hello
by Chris Santerre 25 Jun '04

25 Jun '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Dave Navarro [mailto:dave@basicguru.com] >Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 11:50 PM >To: discuss(a)lists.surbl.org >Subject: [SURBL-Discuss] Hello > > >Hi, > >I originally found the SURBL site through CPU magazine. I've >done some >testing with it and I find that the number of domains listed is pretty >sparse. Is this project still active? > >--Dave > Oh yeah, we are picking up steam everyday. This started with just 3-4 guys, and had no really great way to submit. We got the basics worked out now, and a few more submitters and lots of sources of domains. So actually we are jamming. And we make sure quality comes first over quantity. We HATE false positives here. They make me breakout in hives ;) Chris Santerre System Admin and SARE Ninja http://www.rulesemporium.com 'It is not the strongest of the species that survives, not the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change.' Charles Darwin

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Please test ob, ob2, ab
by Jeff Chan 25 Jun '04

25 Jun '04

Yusuf and Suresh of Outblaze have provided a different version of the Outblaze data which excludes some sender domains which are not really relevant to SURBL use. I've put the revised list up as: ob2.surbl.org Please beta test it against ob.surbl.org Please also test ab.surbl.org which are the top 425 or so spamvertised sites from abusebutler.com. So please beta test: ob.surbl.org ob2.surbl.org ab.surbl.org and let us know the results here. ob2 and ab are only on my name server right now, so please don't test on any really large volume mail servers. Hand-checked corpus testing would be ideal, and we're particularly interested in false positives and spam detection percentages. Thanks, Jeff C.

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Hello
by Dave Navarro 25 Jun '04

25 Jun '04

Hi, I originally found the SURBL site through CPU magazine. I've done some testing with it and I find that the number of domains listed is pretty sparse. Is this project still active? --Dave

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rDNS entries
by Dave Navarro 25 Jun '04

25 Jun '04

One thing I notice is that the IP addresses of blacklisted domains are not always listed in the BL as well. For example, when I look up: ghcclccc.biz.multi.surbl.org It's listed. However, when I look up: 72.2.139.221.multi.surbl.org it's not listed. Might I suggest that all domains listed in the BL also include corresponding IP addresses? --Dave

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A question on policy
by Chris Santerre 24 Jun '04

24 Jun '04

I was doing some browsing of NANAE and came across something interesting. http://tinyurl.com/2xkyw But the thread basically says that uptilt.com (a known spam sender) was hired by tonyrobbins.com to advertise. So they sent out spam. Now my question is, do we list them? Do we list somewhat legit domains that hire these people without (or maybe with) the knowledge that they will spam? I'm leaning towards yes, in the hopes they will learn to choose their advertisers more carefully. Thoughts? Chris Santerre System Admin and SARE Ninja http://www.rulesemporium.com 'It is not the strongest of the species that survives, not the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change.' Charles Darwin

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] A question on policy
by Chris Santerre 24 Jun '04

24 Jun '04

The thread I had found this in didn't contain the full body. However I searched and found a copy and sure enough, there is an uptilt.com link. It's on it's way to SURBL now :) As always J, Thanks! --Chris >-----Original Message----- >From: jm(a)jmason.org [mailto:jm@jmason.org] >Sent: Thursday, June 24, 2004 4:16 PM >To: Jeff Chan; SURBL Discussion list >Subject: Re: [SURBL-Discuss] A question on policy > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > > >In terms of the message, does uptilt.com have any links in it? often >in this situation they'd have added an "unsubscribe" link of their >own which SURBL would then catch. > >- --j. > >Jeff Chan writes: >> On Thursday, June 24, 2004, 9:16:51 AM, Chris Santerre wrote: >> > But the thread basically says that uptilt.com (a known >spam sender) was >> > hired by tonyrobbins.com to advertise. So they sent out >spam. Now my >> > question is, do we list them? >> >> > Do we list somewhat legit domains that hire these people >without (or maybe >> > with) the knowledge that they will spam? I'm leaning >towards yes, in the >> > hopes they will learn to choose their advertisers more carefully. >> > Thoughts? >> >> The answer I would prefer is to *not* list a mostly legitimate >> domain like tonyrobbins.com, but to let conventional RBLs list >> uptilt.com and their IPs as a spam sender. In other words, >> let spamhaus list uptilt's addresses and block on them, but >> don't list tonyrobbins.com in SURBLs since it could potentially >> be mentioned in legitimate messages. Of course it would not hurt >> to let the possibly legitimate company's lawyers know they should >> not use spammers, and cite the law being broken. >> >> This one seems like a relatively clear division of responsibility >> to me. Others may be more or less clear. >> >> Jeff C. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss(a)lists.surbl.org >> http://lists.surbl.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) >Comment: Exmh CVS > >iD8DBQFA2zaIQTcbUG5Y7woRAihcAJ9XmPkWKiSLJGE/0h6BuTyaWIdPLwCg8IFH >cKGFM1GM09i10Wpwx092Z6Q= >=n+Cc >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >_______________________________________________ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss(a)lists.surbl.org >http://lists.surbl.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] redirect site....sort of
by Chris Santerre 23 Jun '04

23 Jun '04

Correct it is legit. >-----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Chan [mailto:jeffc@surbl.org] >Sent: Monday, June 21, 2004 7:49 PM >To: SURBL Discuss >Subject: Re: [SURBL-Discuss] redirect site....sort of > > >On Friday, June 18, 2004, 11:30:16 AM, Chris Santerre wrote: >> place.cc > >> looks like spammers are using this site. > >It is otherwise legitimate? If so, we should whitelist >and let the redirection resolution techniques catch the >actual spam sites. > >Jeff C. > >_______________________________________________ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss(a)lists.surbl.org >http://lists.surbl.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >

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two-level-tlds
by Mariano Absatz 23 Jun '04

23 Jun '04

Hi, I don't know who's maintaing http://spamcheck.freeapp.net/two-level-tlds but I'd think a couple of domains could be added for .ar (Argentina). I only see: com.ar (commercial) org.ar (non-commercial) net.ar (isp's and the like) Argentina also uses: gov.ar (government) mil.ar (armed forces) edu.ar (universities and university-related research groups) esc.edu.ar (elementary schools, high schools and other (non-universitary educational institutions). Regards.

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Mail-SpamAssassin-SpamCopURI-0.18
by Warren Robinson 23 Jun '04

23 Jun '04

Could you help me ? Have install sapmassassin 2.63 - appears working OK Have installed Mail-SpamAssassin-SpamCopURI-0.18 Using perl, v5.6.1 built for i386-linux Now getting the following errors ============================================================================ debug: uri tests: Done uriRE Failed to compile URI SpamAssassin tests, skipping: (syntax error at /etc/mail/spamassassin/spamcop_uri.cf, rule SPAMCOP_URI_RBL, line 1, near "eval:" syntax error at /usr/share/spamassassin/20_uri_tests.cf, rule E_MAILPROMO_URL, line 178, near "; }" ) debug: Failed to parse line in SpamAssassin configuration, skipping: open_redirect_list_spamcop_uri snurl.com *.snurl.com debug: Failed to parse line in SpamAssassin configuration, skipping: open_redirect_list_spamcop_uri snipurl.com *.snipurl.com debug: Failed to parse line in SpamAssassin configuration, skipping: open_redirect_list_spamcop_uri tinyclick.com *.tinyclick.com debug: Failed to parse line in SpamAssassin configuration, skipping: open_redirect_list_spamcop_uri babyurl.com *.babyurl.com debug: Failed to parse line in SpamAssassin configuration, skipping: open_redirect_list_spamcop_uri lin.kz *.lin.kz debug: Failed to parse line in SpamAssassin configuration, skipping: open_redirect_list_spamcop_uri *.v3.net debug: Failed to parse line in SpamAssassin configuration, skipping: open_redirect_list_spamcop_uri shorl.com *.shorl.com debug: Failed to parse line in SpamAssassin configuration, skipping: open_redirect_list_spamcop_uri tinyurl.com *.tinyurl.com debug: Failed to parse line in SpamAssassin configuration, skipping: open_redirect_list_spamcop_uri xurl.us ============================================================================ Any help would be appreciated Regards Warren Robinson warren_ro(a)compuserve.com

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] Another list to test: ab.surbl.org
by Joseph Burford 23 Jun '04

23 Jun '04

Hi Jeff, > again this one is only hosted on a few name servers now so > please don't use it for production yet. We'd like your feedback > about performance, false positives, etc. Here are some stats from one of my test servers, gives you an idea of what success rate I am seeing from the various SURBL lists. Hope the format doesn't munge too much :) 19/06/2004 2,439 messages 1,572 marked as spam Description Total Ham % Spam % URL in ws.surbl.org 748 4 0.5 744 99.5 URL in ob.surbl.org 722 4 0.6 718 99.4 URL in sc.surbl.org 647 0 0 647 100 URL in ab.surbl.org 416 14 3.4 402 96.6 URL in be.surbl.org 48 1 2.1 47 97.9 20/06/2004 2,093 messages 1,352 marked as spam Description Total Ham % Spam % URL in ob.surbl.org 777 31 4 746 96 URL in ws.surbl.org 731 5 0.7 726 99.3 URL in sc.surbl.org 528 0 0 528 100 URL in ab.surbl.org 404 2 0.5 402 99.5 URL in be.surbl.org 36 0 0 36 100 Regards, Joseph

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