Discuss September 2004

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] Numerous FPs
by Chris Santerre 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

Some info: Domain List matching contacts_email of can_craft(a)yahoo.com * 1: a2zsol.com * 2: bannerscape.com * 3: db-hosting.com * 4: global-submit.com * 5: mardox.com <-- * 6: safe-mail.com * 7: safemaildeluxe.com Domain List matching contacts_email of hostmaster(a)hotels.com * 1: 180096hotel.com * 2: 8002hotels.com * 3: hoteldiscounts.com <-- * 4: hotelresnetwork.com * 5: vegashotel.com Not sure if that helps to decide on those 2. But can't hurt to have the info :) --Chris

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] Need help checking FP list from Theo
by Chris Santerre 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Chan [mailto:jeffc@surbl.org] >Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 4:54 AM >To: SURBL Discussion list >Cc: postmaster(a)outblaze.com >Subject: Re: [SURBL-Discuss] Need help checking FP list from Theo > > >On Monday, September 6, 2004, 11:10:50 PM, Ryan Thompson wrote: > >> bis1bp.com FP: Hmm... Domain doesn't resolve thanks >to their not >> being any authoritative nameservers. >> It's 87 days old. If this was really >found in ham, >> I'd say de-list. > >I found this one in the original message and it's part of a >security mailing list mention of a phishing site. Removing >from whitelist. > > http://seclists.org/lists/bugtraq/2004/Jun/0268.html > >It no longer resolves but should be fine to block on IMO. > >Jeff C. Dang it, I replied to a piece of this thread out of order :) I'll try to reply to all of them now... I am +1 for whitelisting .edu. Heck I'm borderline skiplisting them in the hard code. Once we get these all settled, I'd like to find how they all got in here in the first place! seti.org being listed put up red flags for me! Who put that in here? Even if it was me, I should be flogged! Hold on to your chairs, but I agree with Jeff! :) Cleanup is great, but how do things like yale and seti get listed in the first place???? -_Chris

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RE: ANNOUNCE: Top SURBL DNS queries and whitelist hits
by Chris Santerre 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Chan [mailto:jeffc@surbl.org] >Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 9:55 PM >To: SURBL Announce; SpamAssassin Users >Subject: ANNOUNCE: Top SURBL DNS queries and whitelist hits > > >We've made a list of the top SURBL DNS queries into my name server: > > http://www.surbl.org/dns-queries.counts.txt > >and a version with only whitelist hits: > > http://www.surbl.org/dns-queries.whitelist.counts.txt > >The sample size is somewhat small at 32k queries over the last 48 >trailing hours, but it's still somewhat interesting. Specifically >2000 queries are sampled every 3 hours. (Please ignore some of >the junk at the end of the unwhitelisted counts. That's stuff >left over from DNS packets which I haven't cleaned out yet.) > >I'm slightly surprised how high in the total rankings some spam >domains are. That represents a huge amount of spam sent and >blocked. :-) > Would it be possible to hard code a "SKIP" for certain URLs? 175 yahoo.com 157 w3.org 87 msn.com 77 flowgo.com Why have the code even bother to check those? Sort of like a permanent hard coded Whitelist. (Bah, Skiplist! I have to stop calling it a whitelist!) This would save traffic. Just a thought. --Chris

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Re: Need help checking FP list from Theo
by Alden Levy 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

>Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:50:50 -0400 >From: Chris Santerre <csanterre(a)merchantsoverseas.com> >Subject: RE: [SURBL-Discuss] Re: Need help checking FP list from Theo >To: "'SURBL Discussion list'" <discuss(a)lists.surbl.org> >Message-ID: <620A4FF9B83DD511B69900062939D037AC015E(a)internal.merchantsoverseas.com> >OK, you asked for it ;) >Some of this info will give you a 'feel' for who the hosts operate. >>>Theo got us a list of 112 new false positives >from across all >>>SURBLs. He showed me the source >messages which are almost >>>all subscribed newsletters and mailing list >messages, so they >>>seem quite hammy. >> >>>Given the type of source messages and some >spot checking, I'm >>>inclined to whitelist them all, but I'd like to >ask for some help >>>checking them first. Can anyone help check >these? >> >>123inkjets.com > >Oh, these guys are on my personal poop list! > >http://groups.google.com/groups?q=123inkjets.com+abuse&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&s a >=G&scoring=d > >Domain List matching cluster of russ-effrig > > * 1: 007inkjets.com <snip> > * 24: zbeta.com > > * @SPAM/spamsource: 553 SPEWS [1] zaconta, see >http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S1467; > SPEWS [1] tonerbuys, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S1506; > 207.178.170/24: 553 SPAM,PINK 207.178.128.0/17 iswest.net AS5033 >dedicated spam network - S1467,S2747,S2705,S2657,S786,S1467,SBL9192 2003-07 > * SPEWS/spews.org: 553 SPEWS2 [1] zaconta, see >http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S1467; > SPEWS2 [1] tonerbuys, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S1506; > 207.178.170/24: 553 SPEWS2 [2] zaconta, see >http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S1467 > >>1and1.com >http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=1and1.com+ab u >se&btnG=Search > >Domain List matching contacts_email of hostmaster(a)1and1.com > > * 1: 1-asian-sex.com > * 2: 1and1.com <snip> > * 49: wonderfulldeals.com >> >>Gotomypc.com sells a remote access product >>Yale.edu is the domain for Yale University > >http://spews.org/html/S2611.html > >Domain List matching spews of S2611 > > * 1: ca.us <snip> > * 12: worldatamail.com > Results: Positive=5, Negative=25 (2004-09-07 15:44:25 UTC) > > * @ISP/blackholes.us: 66.151/16: 553 ISP INTERNAP - >http://hatcheck.org/google?internap; http://hatcheck.org/sbl?internap >[Blockparade] > * @SPAM/spamsource: 66.151.158/24: 553 SPEWS [1] expertcity/gotomypc, >see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S2611; > 66.151/16: 553 SPAM,PINK,BLOCK 66.150/16 66.151/16 66.151 >66.151.44.151 joe4257769(a)mailgeorgebush.net INTERNAP 2003-04 > * DRBL/drbl.all: 66.151/16: 553 DRBL weight: 0.6; > vote.drbl.vimas.kiev.ua(a)ns.vimas.kiev.ua/0.6 > * SPEWS/spews.org: 66.151.158/24: 553 SPEWS2 [1] expertcity/gotomypc, >see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S2611 > * FIVETEN/internap.com.spam-support: added 2002-07-07; > spam support - hosting sendoutmail.com and jdrmedia.com; added >2003-07-22; > spam support - hosting e-i1.com spamming from NET-63-251-54-64-1; >added 2003-07-02; > spam support - hosting http://www.adaniexports.com on 63.251.163.110; >added 2004-03-08; > spam support - see >http://www.spamhaus.org/SBL/sbl.lasso?query=SBL14734; added 2004-07-31; > spam support - see >http://www.spamhaus.org/SBL/sbl.lasso?query=SBL10031; added 2004-07-31; > spam support - transit for AS30038 whose entire 69.63.160.0/20 is on >the SBL; > added 2003-01-15; > spam support - see >http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/listings.lasso?isp=internap.com; > added 2003-05-20; > spam support - hosting http://www.pr0debtc0nsu1tants.com on >64.74.96.230, was on 63.251.163.110, was on verio; > added 2002-01-22; on sprint.net; added 2002-10-07; spam support - >hosting netflip.com; > added 2003-02-04; spam support - transit for AS18633; added >2003-04-13; > spam support - transit for wholesalebandwidth; added 2002-12-07; > spam support - dns service for columbiahouse.com; added 2002-09-17; > spam support - see http://spews.org/html/S373.html; added 2002-09-10; > spam support - hosting randbad.com on 209.191.175.226; added >2002-07-22; > spam support - hosting internetseer.com and roving.com >I would love a copy of all the reported FPs. Perhaps they should be moved to >the IC list? >--Chris Chris, I agree that these (with the exception of yale.edu) should be moved to the IC list. Unfortunately, since these companies DO have SOME (ONE?) legitimate function, we can't blacklist them here. Of course, I wouldn't object if they were! --Alden

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] Open Redirector
by Chris Santerre 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Leonardo Helman [mailto:surbl@lists.com.ar] >Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 2:17 PM >To: SURBL Discussion list >Subject: Re: [SURBL-Discuss] Open Redirector > > >I'll sent it. > >I've translated that document to spanish. > >Here is the translation. >--------------------------------------------------------------- I know it has already been said, but Thank You! Little things like this mean a lot! Thanks for taking the time to translate and send!! --Chris

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] whitelisted x10.com
by Chris Santerre 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Chan [mailto:jeffc@surbl.org] >Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 8:45 PM >To: SURBL Discuss >Subject: [SURBL-Discuss] whitelisted x10.com > > >I've whitelisted x10.com. They are a frequent FP since they >"advertise" so much to their own customers. > >I'm surprised it was not whitelisted earlier. x10.com is >probably significant contributor to the ham scores. > >Jeff C. > OUCH! I HATE their marketing practices, but I've purchased there stuff long pefore they started doing that. Their controls keep my lazy butt firmly planted on the couch :) Thanks for whitelisting! --Chris

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cooleremail research
by Chris Santerre 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

the IP also goes here: http://www.impactengine.com/index.asp In case that helps anyone. It doesn't tip the scale in either direction for me. Chris Santerre System Admin and SARE Ninja http://www.rulesemporium.com http://www.surbl.org 'It is not the strongest of the species that survives, not the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change.' Charles Darwin

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Whitelist all Bonded Senders?
by Jeff Chan 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

Is it possible or advisable to whitelist all Bonded Senders? Are these truly non-spammers? Does anyone know where a list is published? How about www.senderbase.org ? Jeff C.

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] Re: ANNOUNCE: Top SURBL DNS queries and white list hits
by Chris Santerre 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Chan [mailto:jeffc@surbl.org] >Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:17 AM >To: SURBL Discuss >Subject: [SURBL-Discuss] Re: ANNOUNCE: Top SURBL DNS queries and >whitelist hits > > >On Tuesday, September 7, 2004, 6:13:19 AM, Chris Santerre wrote: >>>From: Jeff Chan [mailto:jeffc@surbl.org] > >>>We've made a list of the top SURBL DNS queries into my name server: >>> >>> http://www.surbl.org/dns-queries.counts.txt >>> >>>and a version with only whitelist hits: >>> >>> http://www.surbl.org/dns-queries.whitelist.counts.txt > >> Would it be possible to hard code a "SKIP" for certain URLs? > >> 175 yahoo.com >> 157 w3.org >> 87 msn.com >> 77 flowgo.com > >> Why have the code even bother to check those? Sort of like a >permanent hard >> coded Whitelist. (Bah, Skiplist! I have to stop calling it a >whitelist!) >> This would save traffic. > >> Just a thought. > >> --Chris > >Yes, Theo proposed exactly such a thing for SA. The top ones >should be fairly stable, and also offer the greatest reduction >in queries. *cough* great minds..... *cough* :) > >SpamCopURI comes with a local whitelist. Eric could we ask you >to grab some of these, populate that list in future versions >and make it live? The hooks are already there; we just need >to use them, and the top whitelist hits would be really useful. Does this local skiplist ;) just ignore the link, or does it look it up in the local? What I'm getting at is if there are 21 links, should these even be counted as on of the random 20? Actually I think I'm splitting hairs here. --Chris

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] Setting SpamAssassin scores for SURBL lists
by Chris Santerre 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

*snip* > >Thanks for your stats and checking, and yes please anyone else >with ham corpora, please check for FPs. > There is one SARE ninja testing guru that will come online with SURBL when 3.0 is released. I expect a LOT of testing, because he is addicted to it :) He's actually been trying to work with another ninja to test for SURBL FPs already. But the initial tests failed :( So we should have a really great tester online soon. With human errors, I think an SO ratio of 99% is pretty cool. OF course we won't even have that unless we strive for zero FPs. Its a goal. I hand check pretty much everything, but sometimes one slips by :) --Chris

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