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20 hours of 6DOS
by Mariano Absatz 01 Jul '04

01 Jul '04

Yesterday I activated ds.surbl.org in our local server for very few domains, so far, I got 54 hits, NO false positives. Regards. -- Mariano Absatz El Baby ---------------------------------------------------------- Asking if computers can think is like asking if submarines can swim.

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[SURBL-Discuss] Fwd: Re: Fwd: Re: procmail exited w/ EX_TEMPFAIL and stucked spamd processes
by Jeff Chan 30 Jun '04

30 Jun '04

This is a forwarded message From: Jeff Chan <jeffc(a)surbl.org> To: William Stearns <wstearns(a)pobox.com> Date: Wednesday, June 30, 2004, 8:45:52 AM Subject: : Re: procmail exited w/ EX_TEMPFAIL and stucked spamd processes ===8<==============Original message text=============== On Wednesday, June 30, 2004, 7:38:42 AM, William Stearns wrote: >> From: Damon McMahon <inst_karma(a)hotmail.com> >> Are you by chance using Bill Stearn's sa-blacklist? >> >> Same thing happened on my mail server yesterday - it almost ground to a >> halt, stalled procmail processes all over the place, sendmail errors >> identical to yours - very ugly. >> >> Eventually traced it down to the fact that the sa-blacklist.current had >> inadvertently quintupled (5x) in size overnight, from 1.5 to almost 7 MB in >> size. I use daily auto-updates of this list so hadn't noticed until the >> side-effects appeared. > Am I missing something? Please take a look at > http://www.stearns.org/sa-blacklist/sa-blacklist.current.domains > - 23,752 domains, just > before Chris started adding 6dos. I relinked the last good one when I > brought the server back up. For generating ws.surbl.org, that's perfect, and I've re-enabled my getting of sa-blacklist.current.domains from your server. When Chris can get the 6dos data disabled, and you link back to an un-6dosed but otherwise current version, I think we will be fully functional again in terms of the ws.surbl.org generation process. I suppose you could rename the 6dos blacklist to disable it also. > If you're using my list, what version are you using? 200406281446 > should be a safe one to use. I was mainly referring to the folks using sa-blacklist as a cf file, which one of the versions apparently did get several times larger than before, presumably due to the inclusion of the 6dos data. Jeff C. -- Jeff Chan mailto:jeffc@surbl.org http://www.surbl.org/ ===8<===========End of original message text===========

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] Remove overlapping rules due to SURBL?
by Chris Santerre 30 Jun '04

30 Jun '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Chan [mailto:jeffc@surbl.org] >Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 4:40 AM >To: 'SURBL Discussion list' >Subject: Re: [SURBL-Discuss] Remove overlapping rules due to SURBL? > > >On Wednesday, June 30, 2004, 12:46:50 AM, Martin Lyberg wrote: >> This is the lists i use at the moment: > >> # sc.surbl.org - SpamCop message-body URI domains >> # ws.surbl.org - sa-blacklist domains as a SURBL >> # be.surbl.org - BigEvil and MidEvil domains >> # ob.surbl.org - OutBlaze spamvertised sites >> # ab.surbl.org - AbuseButler spamvertised sites > >> I wonder if any of my following rulesets is overlapping the >SURBL-lists and >> should be removed? > >> I have the following rulesets: > >> 70_sare_adult.cf >> 70_sare_random.cf >> 70_sare_specific.cf >> 72_sare_bml_post25x.cf >> antidrug.cf >> backhair.cf >> bigevil.cf >> chickenpox.cf >> evilnumbers.cf >> tripwire.cf >> weeds.cf > >Hi Martin, >On behalf of everyone contributing to the SURBL poject, thanks >for your kind words. Glad you're finding SURBLs useful. > >Chris or one of the SARE guys will know a lot more about >the specific SARE rules, but I know that the domains in >bigevil.cf are in be.surbl.org, so you may be able to >get rid of bigevil.cf. For that matter the records in >be.surbl.org are now in ws.surbl.org, so you can get rid >of be.surbl.org also. > >Chris & Co are probably creating a heavily wildcarded ruleset >that you may want to use in future in addition to SURBLs. > >1. Get rid of bigevil.cf, it's mostly in be.surbl.org >2. Get rid of be.surbl.org, it's in ws.surbl.org > Just a followup. Yup everything Jeff covered is spot on! However I see your not running any of the 70_SARE_HTML rulesets. You should look into those. They don't overlap either. And they are very good. -_Chris

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] Fwd: Re: blacklist brings system to halt
by Chris Santerre 30 Jun '04

30 Jun '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Chan [mailto:jeffc@surbl.org] >Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 2:06 AM >To: SURBL Discuss >Subject: [SURBL-Discuss] Fwd: Re: blacklist brings system to halt > > >Here's some additional info on some of the recent >sa-blacklist/ws.surbl.org/6dos goings on, copied from a >message I sent to the SpamAssassin-users list: > *snip* > >I think I can help explain why sa-blacklist went from 1.5 MB >to 5.5 MB in size suddenly. Chris Santerre added a fairly large >set of records from 6dos (6 degrees of spam) around that time in >order to get the records into ws.surbl.org and sa-blacklist. >Chris, Bill and I then discussed this and decided to take them >back out of sa-blacklist and therefore ws.surbl.org, and put >the 6dos entries into its own SURBL instead. Yeah....ummm.....I made a little boo boo :) This is what happens with 3 weeks off of hockey and only 3 hours sleep the night before. I have been LART'd and it won't happen again. "Bad little monkey! Bad!" --Chris

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] Remove overlapping rules due to SURBL?
by Martin Lyberg 30 Jun '04

30 Jun '04

: From: Jeff Chan [mailto:jeffc@surbl.org] : Hi Martin, : On behalf of everyone contributing to the SURBL poject, : thanks for your kind words. Glad you're finding SURBLs useful. Hi! We can't thank you guys enough. What should we do without SA and these services? :) : 1. Get rid of bigevil.cf, it's mostly in be.surbl.org 2. Get : rid of be.surbl.org, it's in ws.surbl.org Bigevil.cf and be.surbl.org removed. Thanks for your help! / Martin

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[SARE] Bigevil IMPORTANT update/test.
by Chris Santerre 30 Jun '04

30 Jun '04

Ok guys, sorry there have been little updates to BE for a while. I have been working closely with SURBL project. We have got to the point where BE is now generated from ws.surbl.org which is what I have been contributing domains to instead of BE. Awaiting for this day. :) So we now have BE auto generated from WS.surbl.org...however this is a LOT more data! HUGE increase. There are now 2369 rules! TOP reports SIZE going from 22 megs to now 36 megs for spamd, however RSS only went from 21 megs to 22 megs. I have no idea how this will effect systems under heavy load. Those systems should definitely stay with SURBL as this is just a local regex copy of it. But for those systems that can't/won't use SURBL and want a local copy of this larger bigevil here is the link: (~600k) www.rulesemporium.com/rules/bigevil2.cf PLEASE report any findings to this list. It lints fine and I'm running it today. Part of me is wondering if this is even worthwhile when SA 3.0 will support SURBL direct. So these tests may be just to see the effect of such a ruleset on SA right now. We may just do away with it and have everyone use SURBL. The only updates I've been doing to the regular BE is removing a few FPs. I will not officially make this new large file the regular Bigevil for at least a week. Again, please give feedback. Thanks! Chris Santerre System Admin and SARE Ninja http://www.rulesemporium.com http://www.surbl.org 'It is not the strongest of the species that survives, not the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change.' Charles Darwin

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Remove overlapping rules due to SURBL?
by Martin Lyberg 30 Jun '04

30 Jun '04

Hi! I'm been using the SURBL-lists for some month now, and i'm very satisfied with the results. This is the lists i use at the moment: # sc.surbl.org - SpamCop message-body URI domains # ws.surbl.org - sa-blacklist domains as a SURBL # be.surbl.org - BigEvil and MidEvil domains # ob.surbl.org - OutBlaze spamvertised sites # ab.surbl.org - AbuseButler spamvertised sites I wonder if any of my following rulesets is overlapping the SURBL-lists and should be removed? I have the following rulesets: 70_sare_adult.cf 70_sare_random.cf 70_sare_specific.cf 72_sare_bml_post25x.cf antidrug.cf backhair.cf bigevil.cf chickenpox.cf evilnumbers.cf tripwire.cf weeds.cf Thanks alot for this great service, and keep up the good work guys! / Martin

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] Pleaae beta test ds.surbl.org - 6dos data
by Chris Santerre 30 Jun '04

30 Jun '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Chan [mailto:jeffc@surbl.org] >Sent: Monday, June 28, 2004 10:41 PM >To: SURBL Discuss >Subject: [SURBL-Discuss] Pleaae beta test ds.surbl.org - 6dos data > > >Please beta test ds.surbl.org which is the 6dos data turned into >a SURBL. In particular, please check the false positive rate and >let us know what you find. > >Please do not use ds.surbl.org for production mail servers as it >is hosted only on my name server. > >(Chris, the list has about 120,000 entries. Were there some .c >files which we should exclude?) "So, drop: Misc.c Registrars.c Mainsleaze.c and that oughta put a pretty big dent in complaints." - A friend. ;) --Chris

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sa-blacklist/spamgate limping at the moment
by William Stearns 29 Jun '04

29 Jun '04

Good day, all, The physical host that hosts www.stearns.org, spamgate, and around 25 other virtual machines has experienced some massive drive problems over the last 36 exhausing hours. I have the systems mostly up, but there's a lot of cleanup work that needs to be done. I don't expect to be able to restore the automatic update functionality until this weekend. To the best of my knowledge, ws.surbl.org (hosted on another physical system) is working just fine. It'll keep providing the latest list until I can get the automatic updates working again. Cheers, - Bill --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Absence is to love what wind is to fire. It extinguishes the small, it enkindles the great." (Courtesy of Arnaud Installe <ainstalle(a)filepool.com>) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- William Stearns (wstearns(a)pobox.com). Mason, Buildkernel, freedups, p0f, rsync-backup, ssh-keyinstall, dns-check, more at: http://www.stearns.org --------------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] Whitelist entry needed
by Chris Santerre 29 Jun '04

29 Jun '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Chan [mailto:jeffc@surbl.org] >Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 10:24 AM >To: SURBL Discussion list (E-mail) >Subject: Re: [SURBL-Discuss] Whitelist entry needed > > >On Tuesday, June 29, 2004, 7:18:15 AM, Chris Santerre wrote: >> I can't get to Stearns site just yet to fix this. (server is >up, but not >> back to where we can change things yet.) We need to >whitelist search.com > >I've whitelisted it in SURBLs. > Many thanks. --chris

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