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by Jose Marcio Martins da Cruz 29 Nov '04

29 Nov '04

Some spammers are now putting links this way... <a href="todayspecialrx.com"> -- --------------------------------------------------------------- Jose Marcio MARTINS DA CRUZ Tel. :(33) 01.40.51.93.41 Ecole des Mines de Paris http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr 60, bd Saint Michel http://www.ensmp.fr/~martins 75272 - PARIS CEDEX 06 mailto:Jose-Marcio.Martins@ensmp.fr

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Re: Please remove our domain pushline.com from blacklist (fwd)
by William Stearns 29 Nov '04

29 Nov '04

---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Tue, 23 Nov 2004 22:53:18 -0500 (EST) From: William Stearns <wstearns(a)pobox.com> To: Ivan Rudev <ivan(a)webstel.com> Cc: William Stearns <wstearns(a)pobox.com> Subject: Re: Please remove our domain pushline.com from blacklist Good day, Ivan, On Tue, 23 Nov 2004, Ivan Rudev wrote: > Our partners cannot receive our newsletters because our domain > pushline.com is in your ws.surbl.org and multi.surbl.org blacklists. > We don't send spam! > http://www.pushline.com/ - just the partner program site where our partners have the ability > to create own Phone Cards Internet Shop and receive commission from sales. > > Please remove pushline.com from blacklists! Your domain was added because of spam from it, an activity the web site encourages: Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 11:35:26 +0300 From: ____(a)pushline.com To: wstearns(a)pobox.com Subject: Cheap long distance phone cards INSTANTLY DELIVERED PHONE CARDS BEST AVAILABLE RATES WORLDWIDE ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Wide range of phone cards to choose from Easy to compare the rates and select the best card for you Instantly get the PIN online Available worldwide Live customer service Visa/MC/Discover accepted ______________________________________________________________________________________________________________ Using prepaid phone cards wisely can help you control your phone bills. Prepaid phone cards are also very convenient. For consumers who do not want to switch their long distance carriers, stand-alone prepaid phone cards are the answer. You receive mobility (calling from any phone including cellular), independence from local carrier and anonymity. CLICK HERE FOR OUR SPECIAL RATES FOR YOU Because you benefit from your partners actions, you're responsible for their emails. Cheers, - Bill --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "My fellow Americans. I've signed legislation that will outlaw Russia forever. We begin bombing in five minutes." - President Reagan, before a scheduled radio broadcast, unaware that the microphone was already on... (Courtesy of Brian S. Dellinger <Brian.Dellinger(a)Dartmouth.EDU>) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- William Stearns (wstearns(a)pobox.com). Mason, Buildkernel, freedups, p0f, rsync-backup, ssh-keyinstall, dns-check, more at: http://www.stearns.org --------------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: hotnudiegirls.com URI as false positive
by Chris Santerre 25 Nov '04

25 Nov '04

1) Dude that is one hell of a cool domain name for a non pron site! Cool!! 2) quasirhombicosidodecahedron.com also rocks as a domain name! 3) Your original complaint, doesn't exhist :) You are NOT listed. Something is up. We have seen these more then a few times. hotnudiegirls.com is not listed in ANY SURBL. www.rulesemporium.com/cgi-bin/uribl.cgi to check it out. I have no idea if it is corrupt cache data, or some sort of goofyness in the SA code. Is it possible we have a FUBAR SURBL mirror? I've cc'd just about anyone having any clue to help. This is about the 4th report in 3 days. --Chris >-----Original Message----- >From: Samat Jain [mailto:samat@quasirhombicosidodecahedron.com] >Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 2:23 PM >To: postmaster(a)outblaze.com; whitelist(a)surbl.org >Subject: hotnudiegirls.com URI as false positive > > >Hello, > >When sending an e-mail to myself, I apparently got my message >tagged as spam >with SpamAssassin: > > 3.9 URIBL_SC_SURBL Contains an URL listed in the SC >SURBL blocklist > [URIs: hotnudiegirls.com] > 2.0 URIBL_OB_SURBL Contains an URL listed in the OB >SURBL blocklist > [URIs: hotnudiegirls.com] > >These were picking up my website (whose tagline I've removed >from this e-mail) >URL that is in the signature of all my e-mail messages. > >My domain is not an origin of spam, nor has it ever, or any source of >questionable material. It is a personal domain used only for >hosting some >services and ONE website that I keep on the signature portion >of my e-mails. > >Thank you, >Samat > >-- >Samat Jain > >Flap's Law: Any inanimate object, regardless of its position, >configuration, >or purpose, may be expected to perform at any time in a >totally unexpected >manner for reasons that are either entirely obscure or else completely >mysterious. >-- Anonymous (586) >

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] general questions.....
by Chris Santerre 25 Nov '04

25 Nov '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Chan [mailto:jeffc@surbl.org] >Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2004 6:24 PM >To: 'SURBL Discussion list' >Subject: Re: [SURBL-Discuss] general questions..... > *snip* > >> We have seen numerous times a legit company sending a newsletter to a >> spamtrap. Numerous reasons and excuses. But they never would >have known >> about it if they were not listed. And I think if they send >to a spamtrap we >> have a right to list. Regardless of how legit, it is a >wakeup call because >> obviously something went wrong to send to a spamtrap. > >IMO, It's not our job to "educate" legitimate companies about >how to use email. Who's job is it? That line scares me. You want to solve the spam problem? You can't do that with a narrow net. You must fight war on all fronts. You educate the legit users on what not to do. This has been all over the news recently. Everyone thinks everyone else is a spammer, but not them. I'm also VERY surprised at your comment. More then a few time YOU have educated people who have contacted us for removal from SURBL. >We want to list as many true spammer domains >as we can find and also prevent legitimate domains from being >listed. Again, legit? Once ANY company hits a spamtrap, IMHO, they are no longer legit. Not until they find out how they hit that trap. Possibly they purchased, as in gave money to a spammer, a list. With education, they will NOT do that again. Thus reducing income for spammers. Possibly they have an xploitable web subscription form? How the hell would they know unless someone tells them? *snip* > >The goal with a greylist should be to cast a wider net but >to eventually filter those down to some truly black entries >that can be listed more broadly on full blacklists. > My goal is to stop spam. Using any method. Education is probably THE biggest way to do this. Imagine if all the clueles users suddenly could spot 100% of spam emails, and NOT fall for them. Problem solved. Its the whole teach a man to fish thing. And I'm not rehashing the argument about SURBL. I clearly state I DO NO list what I want to list. I list what makes Jeff happy :) --Chris

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RE: hotnudiegirls.com URI as false positive
by Chris Santerre 24 Nov '04

24 Nov '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Daniel Quinlan [mailto:quinlan@pathname.com] >Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 5:07 PM >To: Chris Santerre >Cc: 'Daniel Quinlan'; 'Samat Jain'; postmaster(a)outblaze.com; >whitelist(a)surbl.org; dev(a)spamassassin.apache.org; SURBL Discussion list >(E-mail) >Subject: RE: hotnudiegirls.com URI as false positive > > >My guess is that the site was actually listed in SpamCop and Outblaze >(and may still be), but was either delisted by those lists or was >whitelisted by the SURBL folks. > "Negative ghostrider, the pattern is full." No whitelist has been made. But it is possible it got added and removed quickly. I sent up the flags because this isn't the first incident we have seen this week like this. --Chris

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RE: hotnudiegirls.com URI as false positive
by Chris Santerre 24 Nov '04

24 Nov '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Daniel Quinlan [mailto:quinlan@pathname.com] >Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2004 4:25 PM >To: Chris Santerre >Cc: 'Samat Jain'; postmaster(a)outblaze.com; whitelist(a)surbl.org; >dev(a)spamassassin.apache.org; SURBL Discussion list (E-mail) >Subject: Re: hotnudiegirls.com URI as false positive > > >We'd need a full example message that has been marked up as a false >positive, including the SpamAssassin headers, to be able to debug this. > ASk and yee shall receive...you sexy thing! :*) --Chris begin 600 e-mail2.txt M4F5C96EV960Z(&9R;VT@;&]C86QH;W-T(&)Y(&-A;&EG=6QA#0H@=VET:"!3 M<&%M07-S87-S:6X@*'9E<G-I;VX(a),RXP+C$I.PT*(%=E9"P@,C0@3F]V(#(P M,#0@,3(Z,C<Z-3,@+3`V,#`-"D9R;VTZ(%-A;6%T($IA:6X@/'-A;6%T0'%U M87-I<FAO;6)I8V]S:61O9&5C86AE9')O;BYC;VT^#0I4;SH@9V%M97-`;F%B M;&%D97-I9VXN8V]M#0I3=6)J96-T.B!T97-T(&US9PT*1&%T93H@5V5D+"`R M-"!.;W8@,C`P-"`Q,3HS,3HS-2`M,#<P,`T*365S<V%G92U)9#H@/#(P,#0Q M,3(T,3$S,2XS-3@T-2YS86UA=$!Q=6%S:7)H;VUB:6-O<VED;V1E8V%H961R M;VXN8V]M/@T*6"U3<&%M+49L86<Z(%E%4PT*6"U3<&%M+4-H96-K97(M5F5R M<VEO;CH@4W!A;4%S<V%S<VEN(#,N,"XQ("@R,#`T+3$P+3(R*2!O;B!C86QI M9W5L80T*6"U3<&%M+5-T871U<SH@665S+"!S8V]R93TU+CD@<F5Q=6ER960] M-2XP('1E<W1S/55224),7T]"7U-54D),+`T*(%5224),7U-#7U-54D),(&%U M=&]L96%R;CUN;R!V97)S:6]N/3,N,"XQ#0I8+5-P86TM3&5V96PZ("HJ*BHJ M#0I-24U%+59E<G-I;VXZ(#$N,`T*0V]N=&5N="U4>7!E.B!M=6QT:7!A<G0O M;6EX960[#0H(a)(&)O=6YD87)Y/2(M+2TM+2TM+2TM/5\T,4$T1#)!.2XW-#%" M0D(P12(-"E(a)M54E$.B`S.#$-"E(a)M3&5N9W1H.B`S,C$R#0H-"E1H:7,@:7,@ M82!M=6QT:2UP87)T(&UE<W-A9V4@:6X@34E-12!F;W)M870N#0H-"BTM+2TM M+2TM+2TM+3U?-#%!-$0R03DN-S0Q0D)",$4-"D-O;G1E;G0M5'EP93H@=&5X M="]P;&%I;@T*0V]N=&5N="U$:7-P;W-I=&EO;CH@:6YL:6YE#0I#;VYT96YT M+51R86YS9F5R+45N8V]D:6YG.B`X8FET#0H-"E-P86T@9&5T96-T:6]N('-O M9G1W87)E+"!R=6YN:6YG(&]N('1H92!S>7-T96T@(F-A;&EG=6QA(BP@:&%S M#0II9&5N=&EF:65D('1H:7,@:6YC;VUI;F<@96UA:6P@87,@<&]S<VEB;&4@ M<W!A;2X@(%1H92!O<FEG:6YA;"!M97-S86=E#0IH87,@8F5E;B!A='1A8VAE M9"!T;R!T:&ES('-O('EO=2!C86X@=FEE=R!I="`H:68@:70@:7-N)W0@<W!A M;2D@;W(@;&%B96P-"G-I;6EL87(@9G5T=7)E(&5M86EL+B`@268@>6]U(&AA M=F4@86YY('%U97-T:6]N<RP@<V5E#0IT:&4@861M:6YI<W1R871O<B!O9B!T M:&%T('-Y<W1E;2!F;W(@9&5T86EL<RX-"@T*0V]N=&5N="!P<F5V:65W.B`@ M=&5S="!M<V<@+2T@4V%M870@2F%I;@T*("`\:'1T<#HO+W1A;6%S<F5P=7,N M:&]T;G5D:65G:7)L<RYC;VT^($$@;6%N(&-A;B!B92!D97-T<F]Y960@8G5T M(&YO=`T*("!D969E871E9"X@+2T@17)N97-T($AE;6EN9W=A>2`H,C`V*2!; 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FP: pop.com.br
by Yves Junqueira 24 Nov '04

24 Nov '04

pop.com.br is in WS. pop.com.br is a very known free internet access provider in brazil. It's defintely in HAM boxes. (added to my local white list) - Yves

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Bigfoot Interactive
by Brett Cove 24 Nov '04

24 Nov '04

I noticed that a number of their domains are in the surbl whitelist (more specifically bfi0.com), even though it is obvious to me that they are a spamhaus. Are they truly "whiter" than they appear, or would blocking them cause too much collateral damage (FPs)? -Brett

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Re: hotnudiegirls.com URI as false positive
by Daniel Quinlan 24 Nov '04

24 Nov '04

We'd need a full example message that has been marked up as a false positive, including the SpamAssassin headers, to be able to debug this. Daniel -- Daniel Quinlan http://www.pathname.com/~quinlan/

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] general questions.....
by Chris Santerre 24 Nov '04

24 Nov '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Chan [mailto:jeffc@surbl.org] >Sent: Monday, November 22, 2004 8:41 PM >To: SURBL Discussion list >Subject: Re: [SURBL-Discuss] general questions..... > > >On Monday, November 22, 2004, 5:25:14 PM, Justin Mason wrote: >> Important to note that SURBL *can* increase its efficiency, >by changing >> its methods -- ie. adding more data sources, modifying the moderation >> model, etc. can increase efficiency. > >I like to think so too, but one of Terry's hypotheses is that >detecting spam in the remaining variance (the ~15% currently >undetected) may require some "third dimension of spam" and that >about half of that variance may be truly "noise" and therefore >inherently undetectable (paraphrasing him from off-list >discussions). But he doesn't have data to support that claim >yet, just empirical observations across different classification >systems. > >It's good to hear that Henry Stern is getting a PhD for his >work in this area, since it can be worthy of that honor. >It's not a particularly easy problem. > >Jeff C. Wow that was a good email. It makes me think about things from a higher level then the trenches. The whole thing has to be thought of in sections. If we are thinking of JUST SURBL, then I agree that to get this 15% remaining requires more manpower thrown at the overall project. I say overall, because there are other antispam projects that support SURBL that would also be MUCH better with more help. Looking at it from another view, the 15% IS caught! THe bigger picture is antispam. You throw DNSRBL, SURBL, BAYES, SARE, and SA at the problem, and classification jumps an order of magnitude that you wanted. Which for most end users can be 99.99%. Differences being tastes in the definition of the classification. Which is a human trait that can't be removed. But I believe there is still a huge leap SURBL can make in classification. With an increase in data mining, research, and a little more help from major ISPs and registrars. Thanks for that informative email Jeff!! You saved me a google ;) --Chris

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