- Discuss - Mailman 3

test.surbl.org
by Leonardo Helman 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

Hi, Should I send this to spamassasin list? I've done some tests on mailscanner-spamcopuri-spamassasin, and the beast marks messages with spam uri correctly, but I couldn't make it report anything on: (I'm checking for 127.0.0.2) test.surbl.org (It consults only on surbl.org not on test.surbl.org) That's because it only checks the registered domain and not its subdomains? So if someone send me a mail with a http://spam.not-listed-as-spammer.com in it, it will not hit any surbl. Is this correct? host -t any test.surbl.org.multi.surbl.org reports: test.surbl.org.multi.surbl.org. text "multi.surbl.org permanent test point" test.surbl.org.multi.surbl.org. has address 127.0.0.2 Saludos -- Leonardo Helman Pert Consultores Argentina

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Large ham corpus hits against SURBLs
by Jeff Chan 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

I've extracted the plaintext * URI domains from a 14 GB ham corpus, taken the top 70th and 85th percentiles of the most frequently occurring domains and compared them against all SURBL domains, the master list of which can be found at: http://spamcheck.freeapp.net/multi.domains.sort At the 70th percentile level, there were only two matches: automotivedigest.com processrequest.com At the 85th percentile there were a few more: automotivedigest.com chartshop.com ct002.com dakotaairparts.com hallogram.com infoaeroplan.ca investorsinsight.com processrequest.com sitepronews.com topachat.com These are arguably false positives. What do we know about them. Should we whitelist or not whitelist any? * looking at plaintext has advantages and disadvantages: 1. quick and easy 2. does not "double or triple count" messages which also have BASE 64 or quoted printable encoded versions of the same URIs 3. misses some such encoded URIs which don't have plaintext equivalents in a different part of the message Nonetheless the data are still probably generally useful. Jeff C. -- Jeff Chan mailto:jeffc@surbl.org http://www.surbl.org/

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more FPs
by John Lundin 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

Finally got around to running geturi 0.5 on some recent submitted FPs and ham. I have permission to forward the original messages if needed. codefeed .com -0.2000 (1) gittigidiyor .com -0.2500 (1) The first, from a java newsletter blog ref, has no NANAS hits. Created Feb '03. I can't read the language on the second, from a quoted sig in a MySQL newsletter, but it has one NANAS hit and was created in Feb '00. Probably not controversial. destinationsite .com -3.0000 (1) ntcr .us -0.3333 (1) These two are. Both are from a Jupitermedia Web Events newsletter. And yes, the guy who submitted it signed up for 'em. I already asked. Both with netcreations RPs. First registered Jan '98, second Nov '03, so they aren't fly-by-night. (Crawl by night?) destinationsite has seventy-eight widely varied NANAS hits, and their web page redirects to postmasterdirect .com, describing them as, "The most trusted source of 100% opt-in email customer acquisition solutions." ntcr .us has forty-three less varied NANAS hits, site unviewable with my browser. (I sent the latter in once before for a DS hit, but it's in WS now.) And from personal email is a possibly worse pair... from a local linux UG newsletter that quotes a marketpro computer show flyer: emailfactory .com and emf0 .com (apparently same folks), being used as a web bug and unsub address, respectively. 183 and 22 NANAS, created oct '98 and feb '03. "Precision opt-in email marketing tools." Unfortunately, I know at least one other person who is (or was) subscribed to the mailing list for this show, which comes through here regularly. You choose if you want to hold your nose and remove 'em. And that's it out of 4991 messages checked, after removal of FFP's. Oh, yes, before I forget, a testimonial: Earlier this year a friend and I jointly built three computers, one of which is the box I'm writing this on. He did price comparisons on components. And one of his messages on the topic was flagged as spam. I checked, and one vendor site had been flagged by ws.surbl.org. Naturally, I suggested that the vendor in question wasn't a good choice. We ordered elsewhere. That correspondence just showed up in my corpora. Their site was still in WS, so I checked. Hmm. Web page down, what else? So I googled, and found that they were not merely spammy but had been fraudulent! So surbl saved me grief even outside of the email filtering. :-) Another use for a wonderful tool. -- lundin(a)cavtel.net "The chance of forgetting something is directly proportional to.. to.. uh.."

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Whitelist Please
by Bitz 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

http://www.funnygreetings.com Listed at WS_URI_RBL X-Spam-Status: No, hits=5.1 required=10.0 tests=RATWR10_MESSID=0.111, WS_URI_RBL=5 Thanks, -b.

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Start an IP list to block?
by Chris Santerre 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

OK, this isn't the first time we've had this discussion, but Raymond and I felt this should be made public again. He ran thru some tests of 1500+ domains and found the following data. Looks like they maybe send from zombies, and never their hosts. IPs are similar across the board. So is there a way to use the IP info in a good way? Could SA or SURBL do a quick ping of the URL and match against a URL? This would allow us to simply list 1 IP instead of all these domains. (I'm well aware of virtual hosts! So only the filthiest of spammers would be put on this IP list. 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Re: [SURBL-Discuss] Re: Start an IP list to block?
by Frank Ellermann 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

Jeff Chan wrote: > Given that hosting and redirection are not zombied (yet), Won't take long. Thousands of SpamCast zombies blocked to use port 25 can't only DDoS the whole day, so doing some redirections is an obvious idea. Bye, Frank

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Re: Start an IP list to block?
by Matt Kettler 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

At 04:56 PM 9/9/2004, Chris Santerre wrote: >So is there a way to use the IP info in a good way? Could SA or SURBL do a >quick ping of the URL and match against a URL? This would allow us to simply >list 1 IP instead of all these domains. Chris, SA 3.0 appears to already support checking DNS blacklisting of URLs based on resolved IP. (as well as surbl-style based on domain name). So theoretically, SURBL could open up a separate list based on IP's (i.e.: multi.dnsbl.surbl.org) Take a look at the example where it checks the resolved IP of a URL against the SBL (an IP based list): uridnsbl URIBL_SBL sbl.spamhaus.org. TXT header URIBL_SBL eval:check_uridnsbl('URIBL_SBL') describe URIBL_SBL Contains a URL listed in the SBL blocklist tflags URIBL_SBL net and from URIDNSBL.pm: This works by analysing message text and HTML for URLs, extracting the domain names from those, querying their NS records in DNS, resolving the hostnames used therein, and querying various DNS blocklists for those IP addresses. This is quite effective. SYNOPSIS loadplugin Mail::SpamAssassin::Plugin::URIDNSBL uridnsbl URIBL_SBLXBL sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org. TXT

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FP: imagerocket.com
by Bret Miller 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

The imagerocket.com domain is listed in WS and appears in a message received today from bizrate.com. I use bizrate myself (though this message wasn't to me), so I know they aren't hard-core spammers. The message source is attached. I'm not familiar with imagerocket.com, so can't say whether they'd be a good spam indicator if the message wasn't from bizrate.com. Bret ---------- Send your spam to: bretmiller(a)wcg.org Thanks for keeping the internet spam-free!

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] Draw the line (was: Need help checking FP lis t from Theo)
by Chris Santerre 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Chan [mailto:jeffc@surbl.org] >Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 3:46 AM >To: SURBL Discussion list >Subject: Re: [SURBL-Discuss] Draw the line (was: Need help checking FP >list from Theo) > > >On Wednesday, September 8, 2004, 2:08:08 PM, SM wrote: >> Hi Chris, >> At 08:09 08-09-2004, Chris Santerre wrote: >>>NO it doesn't! The point was..... its interesting!! :) >123inkjets has been >>>linked to a ton of other spam domains. The fact that they >have customers >>>makes it legit???? SO anyone who falls for these spams and >buys something, >>>makes it legit? Think about that. Where do you draw the line? > >> If a few legitimate customers are enough to get a domain off >a blacklist, >> then most of the domains currently listed will sooner or later get >> off. There will always be false positives because one man's spam is >> another man's ham. Someone should draw the line somewhere. > >Yes, we have drawn a line. A domain that's mostly used in >spam will probably get listed. A domain that's only being >used in spam will definitely get listed. A domain that's >mostly used in legitimate messages probably won't get >listed. A domain that's only used in legitimate messages >definitely won't get listed. > So what does that mean for 123inkjets? If I understand you correcly, your are whitelisting this spammer because a legit newsletter happens to have links to them in it. Be it either an ad or whatever. So instead of the newsletter breaking ties with the spammer, the spammer domain gets a free ride? --Chris

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RE: Start an IP list to block?
by Matt Kettler 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

At 05:23 PM 9/9/2004, Chris Santerre wrote: >OOOOOOHHHHH yeah! I didn't know that! Are we sure this is actually what it >means and not just a miss-syntaxed paragraph? It actually resolves the IP >against the RBL lookup? > >If so....well then...problem solved, and devs get a cookie :) Actually, upon closer read it checks the IP of the NS record.. So it's essentially blacklisting the IP's of the DNS servers that spammers are using. So, for http://www.merchantsoverseas.com, it would look at your NS records: MerchantsOverseas.com. 18185 IN NS auth20.ns.wcom.com. MerchantsOverseas.com. 18185 IN NS auth10.ns.wcom.com. And would check the IPs 198.6.100.37 (auth20.ns.wcom.com) and 198.6.100.21 (auth10.ns.wcom.com)

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RE: Start an IP list to block?
by Smart,Dan 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

> -----Original Message----- > From: Scott A Crosby [mailto:scrosby@cs.rice.edu] > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 5:23 PM > > We should be a bit more careful than this --- require that a > new URL has to resolve to the same IP address as, say, at > least 3 other SURBL entries before being automatically added > on. Also, there should also be a list of IP's for which this > automatic logic won't be triggered. This would be important > for a poorly run but popular virtual server that's slow at > kicking off spamvertized sites. This really sounds a lot like how DCC (w/greylisting) works. Use the public DCC servers to post detection of these same IP URLs, and when its confirmed by enough sites, it triggers a big score. <<Dan>>

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RE: Start an IP list to block?
by Chris Santerre 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: jm(a)jmason.org [mailto:jm@jmason.org] >Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 5:17 PM >To: Raymond Dijkxhoorn >Cc: Alex Broens; >users-return-15498-sa-list=alexb.ch(a)spamassassin.apache.org; SURBL >Discussion list (E-mail); Spamassassin-Talk (E-mail) >Subject: Re: Start an IP list to block? > > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >Hash: SHA1 > > >Raymond Dijkxhoorn writes: >> Hi! >> >> > Chris, Raymond , >> > >> > I went thru a random few of these and they're were listed >at Spamhaus. >> > Using spamhaus at SMTP level or SA doing RBL lookups would >have caught and >> > stopped them... Spamcop probably has quite a few of them >listed as well >> >> No, that wont work. The spams are sended in via >trojans/proxys only the >> websites are static. SOME are blocked with DSBL and so but >most of the >> time they start a spamrun with a fresh set it seems. >> >> So yes, they are inside spamhaus, but only the websites, >didnt see mails >> sended out from there (yet). > >Are their NS records listed in the SBL? > >- --j. No, but extremely easy to add. However....I'm not sure Jeff would like that. Would have to be a seperate list. -_Chris

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Re: [SURBL-Discuss] RE: Start an IP list to block?
by Patrik Nilsson 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

At 17:23 2004-09-09 -0400, Chris Santerre wrote: > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Matt Kettler [mailto:mkettler@evi-inc.com] > >Chris, SA 3.0 appears to already support checking DNS > >blacklisting of URLs > >based on resolved IP. That's actually resolved IPs of the hostnames for the *name servers* for the domain in the uri, not the resolved IPs for the actual host names in the URI: > >and from URIDNSBL.pm: > > > > This works by analysing message text and HTML for URLs, > extracting the > > domain names from those, querying their NS records in DNS, > resolving > > the hostnames used therein, and querying various DNS blocklists for "used therein" refers to the NS records. Patrik

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Re: [SURBL-Discuss] Start an IP list to block?
by Patrik Nilsson 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

At 16:56 2004-09-09 -0400, Chris Santerre wrote: >OK, this isn't the first time we've had this discussion, but Raymond and I >felt this should be made public again. He ran thru some tests of 1500+ >domains and found the following data. Looks like they maybe send from >zombies, and never their hosts. IPs are similar across the board. > >So is there a way to use the IP info in a good way? Could SA or SURBL do a >quick ping of the URL and match against a URL? This would allow us to simply >list 1 IP instead of all these domains. Why not simply use what's already available - uridnsbl with SBL? >See this list, most of them all use the same IP, pill spammers... >abducted2550pirrs.com has address 219.254.32.111 abducted2550pirrs.com name servers are in SBL. >acdfiaj.info has address 219.254.32.69 abducted2550pirrs.com name servers are in SBL. >agronomy9603dryg.com has address 219.254.32.111 agronomy9603dryg.com name servers are in SBL. Etc... Patrik

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RE: Start an IP list to block?
by Chris Santerre 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Raymond Dijkxhoorn [mailto:raymond@prolocation.net] >Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 5:10 PM >To: Alex Broens >Cc: users-return-15498-sa-list=alexb.ch(a)spamassassin.apache.org; SURBL >Discussion list (E-mail); Spamassassin-Talk (E-mail) >Subject: Re: Start an IP list to block? > > >Hi! > >> Chris, Raymond , >> >> I went thru a random few of these and they're were listed at >Spamhaus. >> Using spamhaus at SMTP level or SA doing RBL lookups would >have caught and >> stopped them... Spamcop probably has quite a few of them >listed as well > >No, that wont work. The spams are sended in via trojans/proxys >only the >websites are static. SOME are blocked with DSBL and so but most of the >time they start a spamrun with a fresh set it seems. > >So yes, they are inside spamhaus, but only the websites, didnt >see mails >sended out from there (yet). > Agreed. They may be listed, but for mail, not hosting. They use other IPs to send, and keep the host on their IPs. SOme of the bigger spammers are saying "Screw SURBL, I've got enough dough to get a new domain for every run, and it still remains profitible." To which we have 2 replies: 1) Those registers are going to feel some rath soon from the antispam community. 2) We gonna mark the IP, you silly little monkeys! I think the code should be added into the SURBL code. It would need to be a patch for SA 3.0 as it is prbly too late for it to go in now. But it should be simple to grab the IP of the 20 random URL domains and match against SURBL as well. Then they can purchase as many domains as they like, won't matter a bit. --Chris

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RE: Start an IP list to block?
by Chris Santerre 09 Sep '04

09 Sep '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Matt Kettler [mailto:mkettler@evi-inc.com] >Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 5:18 PM >To: Chris Santerre; SURBL Discussion list (E-mail) >Cc: Spamassassin-Talk (E-mail) >Subject: Re: Start an IP list to block? > > >At 04:56 PM 9/9/2004, Chris Santerre wrote: >>So is there a way to use the IP info in a good way? Could SA >or SURBL do a >>quick ping of the URL and match against a URL? This would >allow us to simply >>list 1 IP instead of all these domains. > >Chris, SA 3.0 appears to already support checking DNS >blacklisting of URLs >based on resolved IP. (as well as surbl-style based on domain >name). So >theoretically, SURBL could open up a separate list based on >IP's (i.e.: >multi.dnsbl.surbl.org) > > >Take a look at the example where it checks the resolved IP of >a URL against >the SBL (an IP based list): > > uridnsbl URIBL_SBL sbl.spamhaus.org. TXT > header URIBL_SBL >eval:check_uridnsbl('URIBL_SBL') > describe URIBL_SBL Contains a URL listed >in the SBL >blocklist > tflags URIBL_SBL net > > >and from URIDNSBL.pm: > > This works by analysing message text and HTML for >URLs, extracting the > domain names from those, querying their NS records in >DNS, resolving > the hostnames used therein, and querying various DNS >blocklists for > those IP addresses. This is quite effective. > > SYNOPSIS > > loadplugin Mail::SpamAssassin::Plugin::URIDNSBL > uridnsbl URIBL_SBLXBL sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org. TXT > OOOOOOHHHHH yeah! I didn't know that! Are we sure this is actually what it means and not just a miss-syntaxed paragraph? It actually resolves the IP against the RBL lookup? If so....well then...problem solved, and devs get a cookie :) --Chris (todays choices are: Oreo or NutterButter.)

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RE: Start an IP list to block?
by Chris Santerre 09 Sep '04

09 Sep '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Chan [mailto:jeffc@surbl.org] >Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 5:26 PM >To: Chris Santerre >Cc: SURBL Discussion list (E-mail); Spamassassin-Talk (E-mail) >Subject: Re: Start an IP list to block? > > >On Thursday, September 9, 2004, 1:56:33 PM, Chris Santerre wrote: >> OK, this isn't the first time we've had this discussion, but >Raymond and I >> felt this should be made public again. He ran thru some >tests of 1500+ >> domains and found the following data. Looks like they maybe send from >> zombies, and never their hosts. IPs are similar across the board. > >> So is there a way to use the IP info in a good way? Could SA >or SURBL do a >> quick ping of the URL and match against a URL? This would >allow us to simply >> list 1 IP instead of all these domains. > >> (I'm well aware of virtual hosts! So only the filthiest of >spammers would be >> put on this IP list. Then their IP better boot them or >anyone hosted on that >> box would feel the rath of SURBL.) > >Yes, we've already discussed reasons why we're using only the >data actually found in spam URIs. The potential for collateral >damage in looking at resolved IPs is too high. > >It would be very easy for a large hosting provider to have 1 >bad guy sharing a web server with 100 or 1000 non-spammers. >Given that we can't see those other 100 or 1000, it would be >very easy for us to add that 1 IP address and block the >other 100 or 1000 *without even knowing it*. > >It is a question about the limits of knowledge. In our >universe we can't see the potential collateral damage from >listing a shared host, so we should not do it. From our >point of view it's not knowable. Sure the hosting company >knows whether that's the case, but we can't. > >I'd encourage people with questions like this to read up or >take some classes on epistemology or the theory of knowledge. >Or just contemplate the possibilities harder... ;-) LOL, I love our conversations ;) Well when I said filthy, I meant down right Christina Aguleira raunchy spammers! The drippiest of rotten stinking spammers. Basically those hosted by spam friendly hosts. This is a step I was sure you would not want to do, but I can think of a ton on the SPAM-L list who would jump at the chance. Makes ISPs become more responsible. However this is just theory discussion anyway...or is it :p --Chris

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Re: Start an IP list to block?
by Raymond Dijkxhoorn 09 Sep '04

09 Sep '04

Hi! > Chris, Raymond , > > I went thru a random few of these and they're were listed at Spamhaus. > Using spamhaus at SMTP level or SA doing RBL lookups would have caught and > stopped them... Spamcop probably has quite a few of them listed as well No, that wont work. The spams are sended in via trojans/proxys only the websites are static. SOME are blocked with DSBL and so but most of the time they start a spamrun with a fresh set it seems. So yes, they are inside spamhaus, but only the websites, didnt see mails sended out from there (yet). Bye, Raymond.

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RE: Start an IP list to block?
by Chris Santerre 09 Sep '04

09 Sep '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Chan [mailto:jeffc@surbl.org] >Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 5:14 PM >To: SpamAssassin Users; SURBL Discuss >Subject: Re: Start an IP list to block? > > >On Thursday, September 9, 2004, 2:05:28 PM, Alex Broens wrote: >> Chris Santerre wrote: > >>> OK, this isn't the first time we've had this discussion, >but Raymond and I >>> felt this should be made public again. He ran thru some >tests of 1500+ >>> domains and found the following data. Looks like they maybe >send from >>> zombies, and never their hosts. IPs are similar across the board. >>> >>> So is there a way to use the IP info in a good way? Could >SA or SURBL do a >>> quick ping of the URL and match against a URL? This would >allow us to simply >>> list 1 IP instead of all these domains. >>> >>> (I'm well aware of virtual hosts! So only the filthiest of >spammers would be >>> put on this IP list. Then their IP better boot them or >anyone hosted on that >>> box would feel the rath of SURBL.) >>> >>> --Chris > >> Chris, Raymond , > >> I went thru a random few of these and they're were listed at >Spamhaus. >> Using spamhaus at SMTP level or SA doing RBL lookups would >have caught >> and stopped them... > >Yes, that is a good answer. Use Spamhaus RBLs... :-) > No it isn't a good answer. They are NOT sending from these IPs. You can list them in all the RBLs from here to eternity. If they don't send from them, it doesn't matter. They are hosting from them. Which means SURBL needs to convert the domain to IP, then use Spamhaus. --Chris

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Re: Start an IP list to block?
by Jeff Chan 09 Sep '04

09 Sep '04

On Thursday, September 9, 2004, 2:05:28 PM, Alex Broens wrote: > Chris Santerre wrote: >> OK, this isn't the first time we've had this discussion, but Raymond and I >> felt this should be made public again. He ran thru some tests of 1500+ >> domains and found the following data. Looks like they maybe send from >> zombies, and never their hosts. IPs are similar across the board. >> >> So is there a way to use the IP info in a good way? Could SA or SURBL do a >> quick ping of the URL and match against a URL? This would allow us to simply >> list 1 IP instead of all these domains. >> >> (I'm well aware of virtual hosts! So only the filthiest of spammers would be >> put on this IP list. Then their IP better boot them or anyone hosted on that >> box would feel the rath of SURBL.) >> >> --Chris > Chris, Raymond , > I went thru a random few of these and they're were listed at Spamhaus. > Using spamhaus at SMTP level or SA doing RBL lookups would have caught > and stopped them... Yes, that is a good answer. Use Spamhaus RBLs... :-) Jeff C. > Spamcop probably has quite a few of them listed as well > ideas? > Alex

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] http://www.antiphishing.org/
by Matthew Wilson 09 Sep '04

09 Sep '04

Jeff, I'd be willing to put up some money for the annual subscription fee that gets us access to the whole repository of submitted phishing messages. Is anyone else willing? -Matthew -----Original Message----- From: discuss-bounces(a)lists.surbl.org [mailto:discuss-bounces@lists.surbl.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Chan Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 3:56 PM To: discuss(a)lists.surbl.org Subject: Re: [SURBL-Discuss] http://www.antiphishing.org/ On Thursday, September 9, 2004, 1:38:03 PM, Frank Ellermann wrote: > Jeff Chan wrote: >> Let's see if I can get either of them to respond. > Please say so if you get an answer from antiphishing.org > At the moment my impression is that it's some kind of Dave Null - but > with a working vacation auto-responder. > Bye, Frank Yes, we would definitely announce if we got them. However if anyone knows any personal contacts for us at antiphishing.org or millersmiles.co.uk, please let me know. I'm not sure if my messages to their role accounts/public addresses will get through. BTW, I hope everyone here is subscribed to the SURBL announce list, since that's where important announcements are posted: http://lists.surbl.org/mailman/listinfo/announce Jeff C. _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list Discuss(a)lists.surbl.org http://lists.surbl.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss

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http://www.antiphishing.org/
by Jeff Chan 09 Sep '04

09 Sep '04

Does anyone know anybody at antiphishing.org? It might be nice if we could get them to publish their phishing data as a SURBL or add it to PH. Jeff C. -- Jeff Chan mailto:jeffc@surbl.org http://www.surbl.org/

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] test.surbl.org
by Chris Santerre 09 Sep '04

09 Sep '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Theo Van Dinter [mailto:felicity@kluge.net] >Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 10:59 AM >To: SURBL Discussion list >Subject: Re: [SURBL-Discuss] test.surbl.org > > >On Thu, Sep 09, 2004 at 11:08:17AM -0300, Leonardo Helman wrote: >> Should I send this to spamassasin list? > >Questionable. > >> That's because it only checks the registered domain and >> not its subdomains? > >Yes. The SA 3.0 URIDNSBL plugin trims down to the actual domain for >the query. > >That's to avoid something like: > >foo.bar.baz.test.something.else.spam.com > >where if it wasn't just domain only, there'd be queries for: > >foo.bar.baz.test.something.else.spam.com >bar.baz.test.something.else.spam.com >baz.test.something.else.spam.com >test.something.else.spam.com >something.else.spam.com >else.spam.com >spam.com > >which is just bad for lots of reasons. > But for research giggles, the SURBL lookup page on the SARE website DOES do this ;) It helps make it somewhat user friendly as well. But like Theo said, doing this in SA would be bad. --Chris

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Draw the line (was: Need help checking FP list from Theo)
by SM 09 Sep '04

09 Sep '04

Hi Chris, At 08:09 08-09-2004, Chris Santerre wrote: >NO it doesn't! The point was..... its interesting!! :) 123inkjets has been >linked to a ton of other spam domains. The fact that they have customers >makes it legit???? SO anyone who falls for these spams and buys something, >makes it legit? Think about that. Where do you draw the line? If a few legitimate customers are enough to get a domain off a blacklist, then most of the domains currently listed will sooner or later get off. There will always be false positives because one man's spam is another man's ham. Someone should draw the line somewhere. Regards, -sm

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SARE_FRAUD into PH? (Was: RE: Mass-check errors)
by Jeff Chan 09 Sep '04

09 Sep '04

David Hooton, This message prompts me to ask, are we getting the SARE_FRAUD data into PH? If not... Chris and other SARE guys, can you get the SARE_FRAUD records to David for inclusion in PH? Jeff C. __ This is a forwarded message From: Smart,Dan <SmartD(a)VMCMAIL.com> To: SpamAssassin-users(a)incubator.apache.org Date: Wednesday, September 8, 2004, 7:12:26 AM Subject: Mass-check errors ===8<==============Original message text=============== > -----Original Message----- > From: Theo Van Dinter [mailto:felicity@kluge.net] > Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 7:12 PM > To: Smart,Dan > Cc: SpamAssassin-users(a)incubator.apache.org > Subject: Re: Mass-check errors > TextCat looks for $rulesdir/languages, which via your above > command is /etc/mail/spamassassin/languages ... > > -- Thanks Theo. I ended up running Dprof against spamassassin, which was simpler to get running. What I found was that the Textcat language rules was main time-sink, followed by the SARE_FRAUD ruleset. Since SURBL now has the PH list, I removed the FRAUD ruleset too. <<Dan>> ===8<===========End of original message text===========

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