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Savvis potentially shutting down 148 spammers on its network
by William Stearns 08 Sep '04

08 Sep '04

Good day, all, http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/3634572.stm , seen on slashdot. I don't know anything more than what's there, but it would be marvelous if their claim of shutting off their spamming customers within 10 days was true. Just in case it does turn out to be true, we ought to release SA 3.0 before they do, so we can take credit for the drastically reduced amount of spam. *grin* Just kidding. Cheers, - Bill --------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Knowledge is of two kinds. We know a subject ourselves, or we know where we can find information upon it." - Dr Samuel Johnson (1775) (Courtesy of David Cozzens, <dcozzens(a)ejhs.k12.vt.us>) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- William Stearns (wstearns(a)pobox.com). Mason, Buildkernel, freedups, p0f, rsync-backup, ssh-keyinstall, dns-check, more at: http://www.stearns.org --------------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] Whitelist Please
by Chris Santerre 08 Sep '04

08 Sep '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Chan [mailto:jeffc@surbl.org] >In a gamer's analogy, we have the BFG9000 with quad damage >and friendly fire is on. Well now I get it! :-) --Chris

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] Numerous FPs
by Chris Santerre 08 Sep '04

08 Sep '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Chan [mailto:jeffc@surbl.org] >Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 6:29 PM >To: SURBL Discuss >Subject: Re: [SURBL-Discuss] Numerous FPs > > >On Tuesday, September 7, 2004, 8:18:20 AM, Chris Santerre wrote: >> Some info: > >> Domain List matching contacts_email of can_craft(a)yahoo.com > >> * 1: a2zsol.com >> * 2: bannerscape.com >> * 3: db-hosting.com >> * 4: global-submit.com >> * 5: mardox.com <-- >> * 6: safe-mail.com >> * 7: safemaildeluxe.com > >> Domain List matching contacts_email of hostmaster(a)hotels.com > >> * 1: 180096hotel.com >> * 2: 8002hotels.com >> * 3: hoteldiscounts.com <-- >> * 4: hotelresnetwork.com >> * 5: vegashotel.com > >> Not sure if that helps to decide on those 2. But can't hurt >to have the info >> :) > >Are you saying we should whitelist them all or that some >are spammy? > >If you have research that shows one way or the other, >then please let us know. > >Jeff C. > Nope, not saying anything. It was just some info to look at. It didn't sway me either way. But not everyone has access to this info. Matter of fact I can count them on one hand ;) --Chris

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Activating only SURBL and disabling other DNS/network tests in SA 3.0
by Yusuf Goolamabbas 08 Sep '04

08 Sep '04

Let's say that I want to enable only SURBL lookups in my SA 3.0 config. For now, I have to load the plugin and specifiy dns_available yes in my SA config. Since I don't want to do any RBL or other checks which may get activated as a side effect of specifying 'dns_available yes'. I also specify the following use_razor2 0 use_dcc 0 use_pyzor 0 skip_rbl_checks 1 score NO_DNS_FOR_FROM 0 score ROUND_THE_WORLD 0 Is there any other rules/settings I need to configure to prevent them from firing due to 'dns_available yes' Regards, Yusuf -- Yusuf Goolamabbas yusufg(a)outblaze.com

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] Re: Need help checking FP list from Theo
by Chris Santerre 08 Sep '04

08 Sep '04

OK, you asked for it ;) Some of this info will give you a 'feel' for who the hosts operate. >>Theo got us a list of 112 new false positives >from across all >>SURBLs. He showed me the source >messages which are almost >>all subscribed newsletters and mailing list >messages, so they >>seem quite hammy. > >>Given the type of source messages and some >spot checking, I'm >>inclined to whitelist them all, but I'd like to >ask for some help >>checking them first. Can anyone help check >these? > >123inkjets.com Oh, these guys are on my personal poop list! http://groups.google.com/groups?q=123inkjets.com+abuse&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&sa =G&scoring=d Domain List matching cluster of russ-effrig * 1: 007inkjets.com * 2: 00inkjets.com * 3: 111inkjets.com * 4: 123cartridges.com * 5: 123inkjets.com * 6: 123lasertoner.com * 7: 411inkjets.com * 8: 911inkjets.com * 9: amazingofferings.com * 10: communicationadvisor.com * 11: customoffers.com * 12: customoffersmail.com * 13: ebabyloninc.com * 14: etoll.net * 15: freecartridges.com * 16: imagerocket.com * 17: inkjetorder.com * 18: itsimazing.com * 19: mosaicdatasolutions.com * 20: niftyoffer.com * 21: proinkjets.com * 22: rocketmouse.net * 23: yourmailsource.com * 24: zbeta.com * @SPAM/spamsource: 553 SPEWS [1] zaconta, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S1467; SPEWS [1] tonerbuys, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S1506; 207.178.170/24: 553 SPAM,PINK 207.178.128.0/17 iswest.net AS5033 dedicated spam network - S1467,S2747,S2705,S2657,S786,S1467,SBL9192 2003-07 * SPEWS/spews.org: 553 SPEWS2 [1] zaconta, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S1467; SPEWS2 [1] tonerbuys, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S1506; 207.178.170/24: 553 SPEWS2 [2] zaconta, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S1467 >1and1.com http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=1and1.com+abu se&btnG=Search Domain List matching contacts_email of hostmaster(a)1and1.com * 1: 1-asian-sex.com * 2: 1and1.com * 3: ansonline.com * 4: attachs.com * 5: autoperl.com * 6: basix.com * 7: bb4f.info * 8: bloated.org * 9: bonzil.com * 10: clickforhosting.com * 11: college-nudes.net * 12: colomb.org * 13: cyber-cd.com * 14: discreetdvd.com * 15: diveadventurers.com * 16: domymarketing.com * 17: dynawebdesigns.com * 18: e-hostonline.net * 19: e-mazingdeals.com * 20: equestriantherapy.org * 21: equotesonline.com * 22: extremmovies.com * 23: ffa-usa.com * 24: freepussypass.com * 25: ghostbiz.com * 26: globaladvt.com * 27: gun-sales.com * 28: ivee.org * 29: ladygodivanetwork.com * 30: linethai.com * 31: marketingconceptsgroup.com * 32: medicalwebservices.net * 33: metreward.com * 34: micacy.com * 35: michigan-business.com * 36: myhouselist.com * 37: myproemail.com * 38: nastiest-teens.com * 39: njmovietime.com * 40: onlinehome-server.com * 41: onlinehome.us * 42: propappr-alachua-fl.org * 43: softwarepark-goa.org * 44: something-else.org * 45: speedyvalues.com * 46: systechintegration.com * 47: theinfoman.com * 48: uptimesoftware.com * 49: wonderfulldeals.com > >Gotomypc.com sells a remote access product >Yale.edu is the domain for Yale University http://spews.org/html/S2611.html Domain List matching spews of S2611 * 1: ca.us * 2: expertcity.com * 3: gotomypc.com * 4: internap.com * 5: pcmag-direct.com * 6: pnap.net * 7: spamlaws.com * 8: twtelecom.net * 9: wd10.com * 10: wd12.com * 11: whew.com * 12: worldatamail.com Results: Positive=5, Negative=25 (2004-09-07 15:44:25 UTC) * @ISP/blackholes.us: 66.151/16: 553 ISP INTERNAP - http://hatcheck.org/google?internap; http://hatcheck.org/sbl?internap [Blockparade] * @SPAM/spamsource: 66.151.158/24: 553 SPEWS [1] expertcity/gotomypc, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S2611; 66.151/16: 553 SPAM,PINK,BLOCK 66.150/16 66.151/16 66.151 66.151.44.151 joe4257769(a)mailgeorgebush.net INTERNAP 2003-04 * DRBL/drbl.all: 66.151/16: 553 DRBL weight: 0.6; vote.drbl.vimas.kiev.ua(a)ns.vimas.kiev.ua/0.6 * SPEWS/spews.org: 66.151.158/24: 553 SPEWS2 [1] expertcity/gotomypc, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S2611 * FIVETEN/internap.com.spam-support: added 2002-07-07; spam support - hosting sendoutmail.com and jdrmedia.com; added 2003-07-22; spam support - hosting e-i1.com spamming from NET-63-251-54-64-1; added 2003-07-02; spam support - hosting http://www.adaniexports.com on 63.251.163.110; added 2004-03-08; spam support - see http://www.spamhaus.org/SBL/sbl.lasso?query=SBL14734; added 2004-07-31; spam support - see http://www.spamhaus.org/SBL/sbl.lasso?query=SBL10031; added 2004-07-31; spam support - transit for AS30038 whose entire 69.63.160.0/20 is on the SBL; added 2003-01-15; spam support - see http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/listings.lasso?isp=internap.com; added 2003-05-20; spam support - hosting http://www.pr0debtc0nsu1tants.com on 64.74.96.230, was on 63.251.163.110, was on verio; added 2002-01-22; on sprint.net; added 2002-10-07; spam support - hosting netflip.com; added 2003-02-04; spam support - transit for AS18633; added 2003-04-13; spam support - transit for wholesalebandwidth; added 2002-12-07; spam support - dns service for columbiahouse.com; added 2002-09-17; spam support - see http://spews.org/html/S373.html; added 2002-09-10; spam support - hosting randbad.com on 209.191.175.226; added 2002-07-22; spam support - hosting internetseer.com and roving.com I would love a copy of all the reported FPs. Perhaps they should be moved to the IC list? --Chris

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Need help checking FP list from Theo
by Jeff Chan 08 Sep '04

08 Sep '04

Theo got us a list of 112 new false positives from across all SURBLs. He showed me the source messages which are almost all subscribed newsletters and mailing list messages, so they seem quite hammy. Given the type of source messages and some spot checking, I'm inclined to whitelist them all, but I'd like to ask for some help checking them first. Can anyone help check these? 123inkjets.com 1and1.com 1sound.com 4d.com 65.17.207.40 69.50.139.61 8k.com aaronsw.com achtungachtung.com activatormail.com addictivetechnologies.net aec.at agnitum.com aladdinsys.com amnesty-volunteer.org ampcast.com apple.ru atstake.com barebones.com bbspot.com bis1bp.com bridgingthegapforhealthcare.org classesusa.com clearcredit.com commonwealthclub.org conceptdraw.com crime-research.org ctsg.com default-homepage-network.com design-tools.com dontspyon.us drbott.com drivesavers.com drorshalev.com duckland.org ecsirt.net faithfulamerica.org fetchsoftworks.com fipr.org firearmsandliberty.com firepaige.org firewiredirect.com flingstone.com forest.net geoffmetcalf.com globat.com gotomypc.com guninski.com hasbrouck.org hiramoto.org hnc3k.com imgfarm.com imrsvcs.com inderjeetsodhi.com joegratz.net karelia.com lacie.com lacipeterson.com m-w.com macsales.com mail15.com maliasoft.com moveon.org mutemail.com mysurvey.com navi.cx news-miner.com ourfuture.org oxsemi.com passthison.com pcpitstop.com pivx.com pivxlabs.com popmoney.net port5.com postarmor.com prosoftengineering.com qwik-fix.net ravantivirus.com redhawk.org redlers.com reunion.com safecenter.net salary.com saturnevents.com secnetops.biz secnetops.com seti.org smalldog.com snopes.com soundclick.com spywareinfo.com tex-edit.com the-livingstons.org tidbits.com tu-cottbus.de ukclimbing.com umbrella.name uophx.edu uoregon.edu userfriendly.org vechtwijk.nl virtual.net virusall.com westdam.com wiebetech.com wireless-starter-kit.com wlug.org worldwidemart.com wpi.edu wsacorp.com yale.edu Jeff C. -- Jeff Chan mailto:jeffc@surbl.org http://www.surbl.org/

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Numerous FPs
by Ryan Thompson 08 Sep '04

08 Sep '04

Reposting, for those not following the original thread. I found the following FPs in WS in a large recent ham corpus. I suggest whitelisting all of these. buckeye-express.com -- Used in a personal email address, looks legit; 7 examples nm.ru -- Used in a personal email address, looks legit advanstar.com -- Legit uses; found in a well-known dental newsletter; also personal email address of one of the editors; 3 messages 00fun.com -- Confirmed, more than one user on our system sent or received eCards from them northstarconferences.com -- Legit conference host site subscribed to by two users; 9 messages in this corpus mardox.com -- Search engine; registered 1875 days ago, and *looks* like the user did actually submit their site to them. postsnet.com -- Registered exactly one year ago, 51 NANAS, blank home page, ehh... but I have 4 different legit newsletters with links to them. webspawner.com -- Created in 1996; free host/email npdor.com -- Surveys; been around since 1999. 103 NANAS, but they've been advertised by some reputable "word of the day" mailers (dictionary.com) Maybe a good candidate for UC. :-) 2 examples imninc.com -- Domain is 507 days old; they do newsletters. At least one of them is legit. :-) worldhealth.net -- It's 3468 days old today (1995). One of our users attended a conference of theirs, and signed up for a newsletter. hoteldiscounts.com -- 2459 days old (1997), found in actual room booking confirmations for Comfort Inn. - Ryan -- Ryan Thompson <ryan(a)sasknow.com> SaskNow Technologies - http://www.sasknow.com 901-1st Avenue North - Saskatoon, SK - S7K 1Y4 Tel: 306-664-3600 Fax: 306-244-7037 Saskatoon Toll-Free: 877-727-5669 (877-SASKNOW) North America

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Nonexistent domains
by Ryan Thompson 08 Sep '04

08 Sep '04

What's the deal with nonexistent domains? I've been seeing more of these in my corpora. They don't look like typos. Are spammers making up names, or are they registering domains and having them deleted later (either by their choice, or the registrars'?) Should we even consider listing them, or is poisoning not-yet-registered domains too much of a risk? Here's an example mail. In this case, the other domain in the email, "netdreamwatches.com", is already in many SURBLs, but "netdreamwatches4.com" does not exist. My thought is *not* to list the NX'ers if there's another existing domain in the mail fit for SURBL. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Received: from 250.93.180.0 by 82.181.73.98; Sat, 04 Sep 2004 21:06:45 -0500 Message-ID: <COYELLCYZAXZCUMLBQUNZDMH(a)hotmail.com> From: "Everett Dooley" <sexdw(a)yahoo.com> Reply-To: "Everett Dooley" <sexdw(a)yahoo.com> To: private(a)email.com Subject: Order now for free shipping on all watches! Date: Sat, 04 Sep 2004 20:09:45 -0600 X-Mailer: AOL 9.0 for Windows US sub 022 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; boundary="--80228313128822712" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-IP: 99.152.240.119 hey there!, Great deals on imitation rolex and etc.... go to http://www.netdreamwatches.com for more info kind regards Everett Dooley get out of this sessions http://dreamwatches4.com/beout.asp -------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Ryan -- Ryan Thompson <ryan(a)sasknow.com> SaskNow Technologies - http://www.sasknow.com 901-1st Avenue North - Saskatoon, SK - S7K 1Y4 Tel: 306-664-3600 Fax: 306-244-7037 Saskatoon Toll-Free: 877-727-5669 (877-SASKNOW) North America

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] Numerous FPs
by Chris Santerre 08 Sep '04

08 Sep '04

Some info: Domain List matching contacts_email of can_craft(a)yahoo.com * 1: a2zsol.com * 2: bannerscape.com * 3: db-hosting.com * 4: global-submit.com * 5: mardox.com <-- * 6: safe-mail.com * 7: safemaildeluxe.com Domain List matching contacts_email of hostmaster(a)hotels.com * 1: 180096hotel.com * 2: 8002hotels.com * 3: hoteldiscounts.com <-- * 4: hotelresnetwork.com * 5: vegashotel.com Not sure if that helps to decide on those 2. But can't hurt to have the info :) --Chris

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] Need help checking FP list from Theo
by Chris Santerre 08 Sep '04

08 Sep '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Chan [mailto:jeffc@surbl.org] >Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 4:54 AM >To: SURBL Discussion list >Cc: postmaster(a)outblaze.com >Subject: Re: [SURBL-Discuss] Need help checking FP list from Theo > > >On Monday, September 6, 2004, 11:10:50 PM, Ryan Thompson wrote: > >> bis1bp.com FP: Hmm... Domain doesn't resolve thanks >to their not >> being any authoritative nameservers. >> It's 87 days old. If this was really >found in ham, >> I'd say de-list. > >I found this one in the original message and it's part of a >security mailing list mention of a phishing site. Removing >from whitelist. > > http://seclists.org/lists/bugtraq/2004/Jun/0268.html > >It no longer resolves but should be fine to block on IMO. > >Jeff C. Dang it, I replied to a piece of this thread out of order :) I'll try to reply to all of them now... I am +1 for whitelisting .edu. Heck I'm borderline skiplisting them in the hard code. Once we get these all settled, I'd like to find how they all got in here in the first place! seti.org being listed put up red flags for me! Who put that in here? Even if it was me, I should be flogged! Hold on to your chairs, but I agree with Jeff! :) Cleanup is great, but how do things like yale and seti get listed in the first place???? -_Chris

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RE: ANNOUNCE: Top SURBL DNS queries and whitelist hits
by Chris Santerre 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Chan [mailto:jeffc@surbl.org] >Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 9:55 PM >To: SURBL Announce; SpamAssassin Users >Subject: ANNOUNCE: Top SURBL DNS queries and whitelist hits > > >We've made a list of the top SURBL DNS queries into my name server: > > http://www.surbl.org/dns-queries.counts.txt > >and a version with only whitelist hits: > > http://www.surbl.org/dns-queries.whitelist.counts.txt > >The sample size is somewhat small at 32k queries over the last 48 >trailing hours, but it's still somewhat interesting. Specifically >2000 queries are sampled every 3 hours. (Please ignore some of >the junk at the end of the unwhitelisted counts. That's stuff >left over from DNS packets which I haven't cleaned out yet.) > >I'm slightly surprised how high in the total rankings some spam >domains are. That represents a huge amount of spam sent and >blocked. :-) > Would it be possible to hard code a "SKIP" for certain URLs? 175 yahoo.com 157 w3.org 87 msn.com 77 flowgo.com Why have the code even bother to check those? Sort of like a permanent hard coded Whitelist. (Bah, Skiplist! I have to stop calling it a whitelist!) This would save traffic. Just a thought. --Chris

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Re: Need help checking FP list from Theo
by Alden Levy 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

>Date: Tue, 7 Sep 2004 11:50:50 -0400 >From: Chris Santerre <csanterre(a)merchantsoverseas.com> >Subject: RE: [SURBL-Discuss] Re: Need help checking FP list from Theo >To: "'SURBL Discussion list'" <discuss(a)lists.surbl.org> >Message-ID: <620A4FF9B83DD511B69900062939D037AC015E(a)internal.merchantsoverseas.com> >OK, you asked for it ;) >Some of this info will give you a 'feel' for who the hosts operate. >>>Theo got us a list of 112 new false positives >from across all >>>SURBLs. He showed me the source >messages which are almost >>>all subscribed newsletters and mailing list >messages, so they >>>seem quite hammy. >> >>>Given the type of source messages and some >spot checking, I'm >>>inclined to whitelist them all, but I'd like to >ask for some help >>>checking them first. Can anyone help check >these? >> >>123inkjets.com > >Oh, these guys are on my personal poop list! > >http://groups.google.com/groups?q=123inkjets.com+abuse&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&s a >=G&scoring=d > >Domain List matching cluster of russ-effrig > > * 1: 007inkjets.com <snip> > * 24: zbeta.com > > * @SPAM/spamsource: 553 SPEWS [1] zaconta, see >http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S1467; > SPEWS [1] tonerbuys, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S1506; > 207.178.170/24: 553 SPAM,PINK 207.178.128.0/17 iswest.net AS5033 >dedicated spam network - S1467,S2747,S2705,S2657,S786,S1467,SBL9192 2003-07 > * SPEWS/spews.org: 553 SPEWS2 [1] zaconta, see >http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S1467; > SPEWS2 [1] tonerbuys, see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S1506; > 207.178.170/24: 553 SPEWS2 [2] zaconta, see >http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S1467 > >>1and1.com >http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&scoring=d&q=1and1.com+ab u >se&btnG=Search > >Domain List matching contacts_email of hostmaster(a)1and1.com > > * 1: 1-asian-sex.com > * 2: 1and1.com <snip> > * 49: wonderfulldeals.com >> >>Gotomypc.com sells a remote access product >>Yale.edu is the domain for Yale University > >http://spews.org/html/S2611.html > >Domain List matching spews of S2611 > > * 1: ca.us <snip> > * 12: worldatamail.com > Results: Positive=5, Negative=25 (2004-09-07 15:44:25 UTC) > > * @ISP/blackholes.us: 66.151/16: 553 ISP INTERNAP - >http://hatcheck.org/google?internap; http://hatcheck.org/sbl?internap >[Blockparade] > * @SPAM/spamsource: 66.151.158/24: 553 SPEWS [1] expertcity/gotomypc, >see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S2611; > 66.151/16: 553 SPAM,PINK,BLOCK 66.150/16 66.151/16 66.151 >66.151.44.151 joe4257769(a)mailgeorgebush.net INTERNAP 2003-04 > * DRBL/drbl.all: 66.151/16: 553 DRBL weight: 0.6; > vote.drbl.vimas.kiev.ua(a)ns.vimas.kiev.ua/0.6 > * SPEWS/spews.org: 66.151.158/24: 553 SPEWS2 [1] expertcity/gotomypc, >see http://spews.org/ask.cgi?S2611 > * FIVETEN/internap.com.spam-support: added 2002-07-07; > spam support - hosting sendoutmail.com and jdrmedia.com; added >2003-07-22; > spam support - hosting e-i1.com spamming from NET-63-251-54-64-1; >added 2003-07-02; > spam support - hosting http://www.adaniexports.com on 63.251.163.110; >added 2004-03-08; > spam support - see >http://www.spamhaus.org/SBL/sbl.lasso?query=SBL14734; added 2004-07-31; > spam support - see >http://www.spamhaus.org/SBL/sbl.lasso?query=SBL10031; added 2004-07-31; > spam support - transit for AS30038 whose entire 69.63.160.0/20 is on >the SBL; > added 2003-01-15; > spam support - see >http://www.spamhaus.org/sbl/listings.lasso?isp=internap.com; > added 2003-05-20; > spam support - hosting http://www.pr0debtc0nsu1tants.com on >64.74.96.230, was on 63.251.163.110, was on verio; > added 2002-01-22; on sprint.net; added 2002-10-07; spam support - >hosting netflip.com; > added 2003-02-04; spam support - transit for AS18633; added >2003-04-13; > spam support - transit for wholesalebandwidth; added 2002-12-07; > spam support - dns service for columbiahouse.com; added 2002-09-17; > spam support - see http://spews.org/html/S373.html; added 2002-09-10; > spam support - hosting randbad.com on 209.191.175.226; added >2002-07-22; > spam support - hosting internetseer.com and roving.com >I would love a copy of all the reported FPs. Perhaps they should be moved to >the IC list? >--Chris Chris, I agree that these (with the exception of yale.edu) should be moved to the IC list. Unfortunately, since these companies DO have SOME (ONE?) legitimate function, we can't blacklist them here. Of course, I wouldn't object if they were! --Alden

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] Open Redirector
by Chris Santerre 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Leonardo Helman [mailto:surbl@lists.com.ar] >Sent: Monday, September 06, 2004 2:17 PM >To: SURBL Discussion list >Subject: Re: [SURBL-Discuss] Open Redirector > > >I'll sent it. > >I've translated that document to spanish. > >Here is the translation. >--------------------------------------------------------------- I know it has already been said, but Thank You! Little things like this mean a lot! Thanks for taking the time to translate and send!! --Chris

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] whitelisted x10.com
by Chris Santerre 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Chan [mailto:jeffc@surbl.org] >Sent: Sunday, September 05, 2004 8:45 PM >To: SURBL Discuss >Subject: [SURBL-Discuss] whitelisted x10.com > > >I've whitelisted x10.com. They are a frequent FP since they >"advertise" so much to their own customers. > >I'm surprised it was not whitelisted earlier. x10.com is >probably significant contributor to the ham scores. > >Jeff C. > OUCH! I HATE their marketing practices, but I've purchased there stuff long pefore they started doing that. Their controls keep my lazy butt firmly planted on the couch :) Thanks for whitelisting! --Chris

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cooleremail research
by Chris Santerre 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

the IP also goes here: http://www.impactengine.com/index.asp In case that helps anyone. It doesn't tip the scale in either direction for me. Chris Santerre System Admin and SARE Ninja http://www.rulesemporium.com http://www.surbl.org 'It is not the strongest of the species that survives, not the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change.' Charles Darwin

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Whitelist all Bonded Senders?
by Jeff Chan 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

Is it possible or advisable to whitelist all Bonded Senders? Are these truly non-spammers? Does anyone know where a list is published? How about www.senderbase.org ? Jeff C.

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] Re: ANNOUNCE: Top SURBL DNS queries and white list hits
by Chris Santerre 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Chan [mailto:jeffc@surbl.org] >Sent: Tuesday, September 07, 2004 9:17 AM >To: SURBL Discuss >Subject: [SURBL-Discuss] Re: ANNOUNCE: Top SURBL DNS queries and >whitelist hits > > >On Tuesday, September 7, 2004, 6:13:19 AM, Chris Santerre wrote: >>>From: Jeff Chan [mailto:jeffc@surbl.org] > >>>We've made a list of the top SURBL DNS queries into my name server: >>> >>> http://www.surbl.org/dns-queries.counts.txt >>> >>>and a version with only whitelist hits: >>> >>> http://www.surbl.org/dns-queries.whitelist.counts.txt > >> Would it be possible to hard code a "SKIP" for certain URLs? > >> 175 yahoo.com >> 157 w3.org >> 87 msn.com >> 77 flowgo.com > >> Why have the code even bother to check those? Sort of like a >permanent hard >> coded Whitelist. (Bah, Skiplist! I have to stop calling it a >whitelist!) >> This would save traffic. > >> Just a thought. > >> --Chris > >Yes, Theo proposed exactly such a thing for SA. The top ones >should be fairly stable, and also offer the greatest reduction >in queries. *cough* great minds..... *cough* :) > >SpamCopURI comes with a local whitelist. Eric could we ask you >to grab some of these, populate that list in future versions >and make it live? The hooks are already there; we just need >to use them, and the top whitelist hits would be really useful. Does this local skiplist ;) just ignore the link, or does it look it up in the local? What I'm getting at is if there are 21 links, should these even be counted as on of the random 20? Actually I think I'm splitting hairs here. --Chris

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] Setting SpamAssassin scores for SURBL lists
by Chris Santerre 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

*snip* > >Thanks for your stats and checking, and yes please anyone else >with ham corpora, please check for FPs. > There is one SARE ninja testing guru that will come online with SURBL when 3.0 is released. I expect a LOT of testing, because he is addicted to it :) He's actually been trying to work with another ninja to test for SURBL FPs already. But the initial tests failed :( So we should have a really great tester online soon. With human errors, I think an SO ratio of 99% is pretty cool. OF course we won't even have that unless we strive for zero FPs. Its a goal. I hand check pretty much everything, but sometimes one slips by :) --Chris

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postmaster@corp.mailsecurity.net.au
by Mariano Absatz 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

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General Questions
by Joey 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

OK I needed to review a few things, and was not able to search within the list, but only page through the last few days. I installed the cpan version of surbl plug-in and am running SpamAssassin version 2.64. I copied the /root/.cpan/build/Mail-SpamAssassin-SpamCopURI-0.22/rules/spamcop_uri.cf file to the /etc/mail/spamassassin/ directory. I then restarted spamd so that it would take advantage of the new configuration. I then went to spamcop and grabbed a couple of domain names from the list and emailed them to myself from an outside source, but SpamAssassin did not tag/flag the email with any of the spamcop_uri scores or details within the email. Having said all that, now the question becomes how can I test my configuration to insure that it's working properly? Thanks, Joey

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Re: Need help checking FP list from Theo
by Alden Levy 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

>Date: Mon, 6 Sep 2004 20:43:10 -0700 >From: Jeff Chan <jeffc(a)surbl.org> >Subject: [SURBL-Discuss] Need help >checking FP list from Theo >To: SURBL Discuss <discuss(a)lists.surbl.org> >Message-ID: ><352641172.20040906204310(a)supranet.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >Theo got us a list of 112 new false positives >from across all >SURBLs. He showed me the source >messages which are almost >all subscribed newsletters and mailing list >messages, so they >seem quite hammy. >Given the type of source messages and some >spot checking, I'm >inclined to whitelist them all, but I'd like to >ask for some help >checking them first. Can anyone help check >these? 123inkjets.com 1and1.com While these two may also spam, they sell legitimate products. 123inkjets sells ink and toner cartridges and refills, 1and1 is a web hosting firm. Gotomypc.com sells a remote access product Yale.edu is the domain for Yale University Regards, Alden Alden Levy Engine No. 9, Inc. 130 West 57th Street, Suite 12E New York, NY 10019 (212) 981-1122 (212) 725-7202 (fax) www.engineno9inc.com

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RFC: For everyone hand-checking domains
by Ryan Thompson 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

Hi All, For those of you hand-checking lists of domains (i.e., from submissions to SURBL lists, either for blocking or whitelisting): would a few of you mind running the new version (1.5) of GetURI (http://ry.ca/geturi/) on one or two of your domain lists? Just export your list of domains to a text file (one domain per line), and run geturi something like so: $ geturi --spamdomains=spamdomains.txt --age > domains.html If you also have lists of domains that appear in ham, even better! Send those to --hamdomains=hamdomains.txt, and you can guard against FPs. Alternatively, if you don't have the time to fiddle with GetURI yourself, then, for a limited time only, you can submit domain lists directly to my email address with "DOMAINS FOR GETURI" in the subject, and I'll run the report for you and post or email the output at your request. I'm curious to know if this is the kind of output you're looking for, and if there'd be anything else that would be a big help to your efforts, without decreasing accuracy. What are you currently doing to hand-check? My main goal is to reduce the effort required to *accurately* hand-check domains so we can focus on the quality of our submissions. Thanks, - Ryan -- Ryan Thompson <ryan(a)sasknow.com> SaskNow Technologies - http://www.sasknow.com 901-1st Avenue North - Saskatoon, SK - S7K 1Y4 Tel: 306-664-3600 Fax: 306-244-7037 Saskatoon Toll-Free: 877-727-5669 (877-SASKNOW) North America

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Re: SURBL problems
by Jeff Chan 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

On Monday, September 6, 2004, 5:57:32 PM, Kai Schaetzl wrote: > Jeff Chan wrote on Mon, 6 Sep 2004 16:56:57 -0700: >> Hang on, that's not a meaningful test since it would be in your >> local resolver cache. >> > First check took 22 msec to get the data from our forwarder. I noticed > that our nscd isn't running, so I restarted it, although I don't think > there should be much difference in the performance. The SA timeout in > MailScanner is 120 secs, that's quite long. Is it possible at all that > URISURBL lookups take that long and aren't killed before that? I assume all programs are subject to some kind of DNS lookup timeouts either in the application or an external resolver. RBL lookups in general should be quite fast and cached. If something is taking longer than 120 seconds it's probably broken. Given that name resolution on RBLs should normally take a few milliseconds, if they're taking more than a few seconds there could definitely be a problem somewhere. nscd is some kind of hostname caching program but I'm not familiar with it. Are things better after you restarted it? Why did it stop? Did it give any error messages? Jeff C. -- Jeff Chan mailto:jeffc@surbl.org http://www.surbl.org/

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Re: SURBL problems
by Jeff Chan 07 Sep '04

07 Sep '04

On Monday, September 6, 2004, 4:20:56 PM, Kai Schaetzl wrote: > I haven't debugged this yet any further since I'm on the brink to leaving > for a vacation. Is it possible that one or more of the SURBL RBLs habe > problems today? I was getting a lot of SA time-outs today and the first > reason which comes to my mind is SURBL lookups. It's the only RBL lookup > we use in SA which is run via MailScanner. If SA times out it gives it a > score of 0.00, tells me the reason (SA timeout) and handles the spam as > clean. For the last hours this happened with about every second incoming > mail (spam and ham likewise, so it's unlikely to be some sort of "bad" > spam). This setup has been running for some weeks now, MailScanner 4.32.x > plus SA3-RC2, without any problems. SA timeout for MailScanner is set to > 120 seconds. There doesn't seem to be a timeout value for SURBL checks - > is this possible? No changes to setup or software during the last days, > machine has low load. What you describe sounds perhaps like a DNS timeout (which SA3 may support through your operating system's resolver). There are currently three SURBL nameservers with problems, but they're all commented out of the authority for the subdomains, so they should not be a problem. If you do: dig test.surbl.org.multi.surbl.org a many times, do you get any delays? Is anyone else seeing problems? Jeff C. -- Jeff Chan mailto:jeffc@surbl.org http://www.surbl.org/

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Open Redirector
by Leonardo Helman 06 Sep '04

06 Sep '04

Hi, lately I'm receiving lots of spam pointing to this open redirector <http://lanzadera.ya.com/> site. This is a spanish site, something like tinyurl. They are hosting for example: www.gueb.de and www.imagenes.de So, the spam points to www.gueb.de/somewhere, and gets redirected from there. How are you people dealing with this? Is this the appropiate list to report this kind of things? Thanks Saludos -- Leonardo Helman Pert Consultores Argentina

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