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FP in WS!
by Joseph Burford 20 Aug '04

20 Aug '04

Howdy guys, another FP for the WS guys to checkout. www.1shoppingcartMUNGED.com , appears to be list management for a valid list a customer has subscribed to. Full text with minimal modification is at: http://www.ntjl.net/surbl/20040819-ws-fp.txt Regards, Joseph

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] {Spam?} FW: ***SPAM*** (7.4/5.0) ** Someone w ith the intials L Rmust be declared...
by Chris Santerre 20 Aug '04

20 Aug '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Larry Rosenman [mailto:ler@lerctr.org] >Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 8:27 PM >To: discuss(a)lists.surbl.org >Subject: [SURBL-Discuss] {Spam?} FW: ***SPAM*** (7.4/5.0) ** Someone >with the intials L Rmust be declared... > > >Publishers Clearing House wrote: *snip* >Why is PCH.COM on WS? Because they said I *might* be a winner! ;) J/K I didn't add them. --Chris

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] FP in WS!
by Chris Santerre 20 Aug '04

20 Aug '04

Nice find. So what happens if we subscribe again, and again, and again, and again, and again, and again, ......... :) --Chris >-----Original Message----- >From: Alex Broens [mailto:surbl@alexb.ch] >Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 9:39 AM >To: SURBL Discussion list >Subject: Re: [SURBL-Discuss] FP in WS! > > >in that msg: >----- > (This offer is for NON Subscribers ONLY! If you have >already subscribed, please do not subscribe again.) >-------scratching my head, wondering... UCE? whaddat?Alex:// >skeptical SURBL >newbiew home user //: >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Joseph Burford" <joseph.burford(a)gmail.com> >To: <discuss(a)lists.surbl.org> >Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 11:31 AM >Subject: [SURBL-Discuss] FP in WS! > > >> Howdy guys, >> >> another FP for the WS guys to checkout. www.1shoppingcartMUNGED.com , >> appears to be list management for a valid list a customer has >> subscribed to. >> >> Full text with minimal modification is at: >> >> http://www.ntjl.net/surbl/20040819-ws-fp.txt >> >> Regards, >> >> Joseph >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss mailing list >> Discuss(a)lists.surbl.org >> http://lists.surbl.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >> > > >_______________________________________________ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss(a)lists.surbl.org >http://lists.surbl.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] More possible FPs
by Chris Santerre 20 Aug '04

20 Aug '04

Can't read russian: http://www.findaworkinnet.narod.ru/new.htm Lots of hits on NANAS for Narod.ru. But looks like the sites get taken down quick? Not sure if that is planned though. Russian ISPs aren't known for their fight against spam. And trafficzap.com appears in only a few NANAS posts. All of them also contain sitepronews.com. So there may be a connection there. --Chris >-----Original Message----- >From: Joseph Burford [mailto:joseph.burford@gmail.com] >Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 6:10 AM >To: discuss(a)lists.surbl.org >Subject: [SURBL-Discuss] More possible FPs > > >When the WS team get a moment they may like to have a look at why >trafficMUNGEDzap.com and narMUNGEDod.ru are listed. > >Saw them both in a legit mailing today, although they may not actually >be legit in themselves :-) > >Plain text http://www.ntjl.net/surbl/20040820-ws-fp.txt >HTML http://www.ntjl.net/surbl/20040820-ws-fp.html > >Regards, > >Joseph >_______________________________________________ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss(a)lists.surbl.org >http://lists.surbl.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] FP in WS!
by Chris Santerre 20 Aug '04

20 Aug '04

I didn't add, but: 1shoppingcart.com 1shoppingcart.net autocontactor.com marketerschoice.com unlimitedautoresponders.com wcpsecure.com webcontactpro.net all Robert Bell, a spammer. --Chris >-----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Chan [mailto:jeffc@surbl.org] >Sent: Friday, August 20, 2004 6:36 AM >To: discuss(a)lists.surbl.org >Subject: Re: [SURBL-Discuss] FP in WS! > > >On Friday, August 20, 2004, 2:31:33 AM, Joseph Burford wrote: >> Howdy guys, > >> another FP for the WS guys to checkout. www.1shoppingcartMUNGED.com , >> appears to be list management for a valid list a customer has >> subscribed to. > >> Full text with minimal modification is at: > >> http://www.ntjl.net/surbl/20040819-ws-fp.txt > >OK I've whitelisted this domain. WS folks please see how it got >onto the list. > >Jeff C. > >_______________________________________________ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss(a)lists.surbl.org >http://lists.surbl.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >

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More possible FPs
by Joseph Burford 20 Aug '04

20 Aug '04

When the WS team get a moment they may like to have a look at why trafficMUNGEDzap.com and narMUNGEDod.ru are listed. Saw them both in a legit mailing today, although they may not actually be legit in themselves :-) Plain text http://www.ntjl.net/surbl/20040820-ws-fp.txt HTML http://www.ntjl.net/surbl/20040820-ws-fp.html Regards, Joseph

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MSGID_FROM_MTA_SHORT - scoring..
by Mark Thomas 20 Aug '04

20 Aug '04

Hi, Can any of you SA/Surbl gurus tell me where I can change the scoring of this rule? (I assume, probably incorrectly that this is a Surbl rule...) ;) The default of 3.3 is a bit high for this organisation and I would like to drop it down somewhat. Many thanks Mark

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[SURBL-Discuss] {Spam?} FW: ***SPAM*** (7.4/5.0) ** Someone with the intials L R must be declared...
by Larry Rosenman 20 Aug '04

20 Aug '04

Publishers Clearing House wrote: > Spam detection software, running on the system "lerami.lerctr.org", > has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original > message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't > spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see > ler(a)lerctr.org for details. > > Content preview: Someone with the intials L R must be declared... > Lawrence Rosenman L R Lawrence Rosenman: [...] > > Content analysis details: (7.4 points, 5.0 required) > > pts rule name description > ---- ---------------------- > -------------------------------------------------- > 1.7 SARE_OEM_FAKE_YEAR BODY: SARE_OEM_FAKE_YEAR > 1.6 UNCLAIMED_MONEY BODY: People just leave money laying > around > 0.7 SARE_MONEYTERMS BODY: Talks about money in some way. > 0.1 HTML_80_90 BODY: Message is 80% to 90% HTML > 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message > 0.0 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 40 to > 60% [score: 0.5000] > 0.1 HTML_FONT_BIG BODY: HTML tag for a big font size > 0.2 MIME_HTML_ONLY BODY: Message only has text/html MIME > parts > 3.0 URIBL_WS_SURBL Contains a URL listed in the WS SURBL > blocklist [URIs: pch.com] > > The original message was not completely plain text, and may be unsafe > to open with some email clients; in particular, it may contain a > virus, or confirm that your address can receive spam. If you wish to > view it, it may be safer to save it to a file and open it with an > editor. Why is PCH.COM on WS? They are (semi-)legit. LER -- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 972-414-9812 E-Mail: ler(a)lerctr.org US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749

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RE: survey-MUNGED.com (Was: Re: [SURBL-Discuss] {Spam?} FP in WS, OB)
by Chris Santerre 20 Aug '04

20 Aug '04

No hijack! Here was what his first post said: > 3.0 URIBL_WS_SURBL Contains a URL listed in the WS SURBL > blocklist [URIs: survey.com] > 4.0 URIBL_OB_SURBL Contains a URL listed in the OB SURBL > blocklist [URIs: messagingpipeline.com advancedippipeline.com > bizintelligencepipeline.com enterpriseappspipeline.com] Did you miss the survey part? ;) --Chris >-----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Chan [mailto:jeffc@surbl.org] >Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 5:14 PM >To: SURBL Discuss >Subject: survey-MUNGED.com (Was: Re: [SURBL-Discuss] {Spam?} FP in >WS,OB) > > >On Thursday, August 19, 2004, 2:05:18 PM, Chris Santerre wrote: >> But what about survery-munged.com? I feel they are spammers. >But I'm open to >> discussion :) > >LOL! Nice hij@ck! > >I'm still waiting to hear whether they appear in any >legitimate messages. Does venteinc.com have any >legitimate customers? > >Jeff C. > >_______________________________________________ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss(a)lists.surbl.org >http://lists.surbl.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >

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Announcing the Spamtrappers list
by jm＠jmason.org 20 Aug '04

20 Aug '04

Hi all -- It occurred to me recently that maybe quite a lot of the innards of spamtrap systems are being kept more secret than they need to be, and a public mailing list for spamtrap operators would be well worthwhile. There's a number of things that would be improved through sharing our techniques, suggestions, possibly even data -- - new scaling mechanisms; - what to do with all that spam - where to report, ways to analyze it, etc.; - new protocols for dealing effectively with massive quantities of spam - for example, using SMTP to deliver spamtrap data is not necessarily required, since reliability isn't as important for spam forwarding as it is for ham, considering the volumes; - an "open source" approach to the problem; there's currently a lot of secrecy, and probably more than is really required (as long as we don't spill the beans on what domains and addresses we're collecting from). Being able to share thoughts can be very useful, esp. when someone notices some new spammer behaviour. The list info and subscription page is here: http://lists.taint.org/mailman/listinfo/spamtrappers/ --j.

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] {Spam?} FP in WS,OB
by Chris Santerre 19 Aug '04

19 Aug '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Chan [mailto:jeffc@surbl.org] >Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2004 4:46 PM >To: discuss(a)lists.surbl.org >Cc: postmaster(a)outblaze.com >Subject: Re: [SURBL-Discuss] {Spam?} FP in WS,OB > > >On Thursday, August 19, 2004, 1:21:52 PM, Larry Rosenman wrote: >> Storage Pipeline Newsletter wrote: >>> Spam detection software, running on the system "lerami.lerctr.org", >>> has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original >>> message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't >>> spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see >>> ler(a)lerctr.org for details. >>> >>> Content preview: STORAGE PIPELINE NEWSLETTER >>> http://www.StoragePipeline.com/ Thursday, August 19, 2004 1. >>> Editor's Note 2. Only The Best Storage News 3. Special Report: >>> Microsoft's Next Storage Play 4. Storage Spotlight: >Hewlett-Packard >>> In Turmoil 5. Check Some Boxes, Win $500 6. Top Trend: Study Shows >>> Bright Future For Utility Computing 7. FUDBusters: Serial ATA >>> Storage Drives 8. Voting Booth: SMI-S Purchasing Plans 9. Discover >>> NAS Appliances In Product Finder 10. Check Out The >Storage Pipeline >>> Topic Centers - Storage Software - Storage Hardware - SAN/NAS - >>> Storage Services 11. Tell A Colleague About Storage Pipeline >>> Newsletter 12. Have You Discovered The Other Pipelines? 13. >>> Subscribe To The Storage Pipeline RSS Feed >>> 14. Change Your Subscription Options [...] >>> >>> Content analysis details: (8.3 points, 5.0 required) >>> >>> pts rule name description >>> ---- ---------------------- >>> -------------------------------------------------- >>> -0.4 BAYES_05 BODY: Bayesian spam probability >is 1 to 5% >>> [score: 0.0377] >>> 1.7 RCVD_IN_RFC_IPWHOIS RBL: Sent via a relay in >>> ipwhois.rfc-ignorant.org [$ has >>> inaccurate or missing WHOIS data at the] >>> [RIR] >>> 3.0 URIBL_WS_SURBL Contains a URL listed in the WS SURBL >>> blocklist [URIs: survey.com] >>> 4.0 URIBL_OB_SURBL Contains a URL listed in the OB SURBL >>> blocklist [URIs: messagingpipeline.com advancedippipeline.com >>> bizintelligencepipeline.com enterpriseappspipeline.com] > >> This is from the CMP storagepipline list. > >> Why are they on OB? And also WS? > >OB had: > >advancedippipeline.com >bizintelligencepipeline.com >enterpriseappspipeline.com >messagingpipeline.com > >I've whitelisted those all and also: > >storagepipeline.com > >All belong to CMP Media, a large and legitimate tech publisher. > >The domains do not appear in WS. > > >Outblaze, >Please consider not blocking on these also. > >Jeff C. But what about survery-munged.com? I feel they are spammers. But I'm open to discussion :) --Chris

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{Spam?} FP in WS,OB
by Larry Rosenman 19 Aug '04

19 Aug '04

Storage Pipeline Newsletter wrote: > Spam detection software, running on the system "lerami.lerctr.org", > has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original > message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't > spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see > ler(a)lerctr.org for details. > > Content preview: STORAGE PIPELINE NEWSLETTER > http://www.StoragePipeline.com/ Thursday, August 19, 2004 1. > Editor's Note 2. Only The Best Storage News 3. Special Report: > Microsoft's Next Storage Play 4. Storage Spotlight: Hewlett-Packard > In Turmoil 5. Check Some Boxes, Win $500 6. Top Trend: Study Shows > Bright Future For Utility Computing 7. FUDBusters: Serial ATA > Storage Drives 8. Voting Booth: SMI-S Purchasing Plans 9. Discover > NAS Appliances In Product Finder 10. Check Out The Storage Pipeline > Topic Centers - Storage Software - Storage Hardware - SAN/NAS - > Storage Services 11. Tell A Colleague About Storage Pipeline > Newsletter 12. Have You Discovered The Other Pipelines? 13. > Subscribe To The Storage Pipeline RSS Feed > 14. Change Your Subscription Options [...] > > Content analysis details: (8.3 points, 5.0 required) > > pts rule name description > ---- ---------------------- > -------------------------------------------------- > -0.4 BAYES_05 BODY: Bayesian spam probability is 1 to 5% > [score: 0.0377] > 1.7 RCVD_IN_RFC_IPWHOIS RBL: Sent via a relay in > ipwhois.rfc-ignorant.org [$ has > inaccurate or missing WHOIS data at the] > [RIR] > 3.0 URIBL_WS_SURBL Contains a URL listed in the WS SURBL > blocklist [URIs: survey.com] > 4.0 URIBL_OB_SURBL Contains a URL listed in the OB SURBL > blocklist [URIs: messagingpipeline.com advancedippipeline.com > bizintelligencepipeline.com enterpriseappspipeline.com] This is from the CMP storagepipline list. Why are they on OB? And also WS? -- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 972-414-9812 E-Mail: ler(a)lerctr.org US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749

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ws.surbl.org entry lag
by Alex Broens 19 Aug '04

19 Aug '04

Jeff, Bill has mentioned that he updates the ws.surbl.org data every 15 minutes. how often/hour is this data loaded into the ws.surbl.org zone? Thanks Alex

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Strange happenings...
by Bill Landry 19 Aug '04

19 Aug '04

Can anyone explain why this particular URI gets tagged by WS when none of the other URIs in the message (including several others from g.msn.com) get tagged: http://g.msn.MUNGEDcom/0NL34044/2531 Must be something about this particular URI string that causes the parser to handle it differently. If someone wants to see the message this URI came from, let me know and I'll send it to you. Bill

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hat check
by Chris Santerre 18 Aug '04

18 Aug '04

With all this talk of spanking people for adding FPs, I'm not sure if I should be careful, or buy some beer and nachos and wait to be spanked ;) Anywho, I need a check on these guys: cwiservices.com Spank you very much, --Chris (The guy without AIM or ICQ!)

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] FP in ws.surbl.org domeus_REMOVE.com / domeus _REMOVE.es
by Chris Santerre 18 Aug '04

18 Aug '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Mariano Absatz [mailto:el.baby@gmail.com] >Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2004 2:00 AM >To: SURBL Discussion list >Subject: [SURBL-Discuss] FP in ws.surbl.org domeus_REMOVE.com / >domeus_REMOVE.es > > >Hi people, hi Bill... > >I just detected a FP in ws.surbl.org... and I was the one who >submitted the domains :-( > >It's 2 domains: domeus_REMOVE.com / domeus_REMOVE.es > >It seems to be some kind of public list server with little control >about what their users/customers subscribe. > >I'll look in my spamcan for the offending messages and will try to >contact them to see if they do something about those customers. > >But I got the FP from a message forwarded from a completely legit >mailing list, so I guess our policy should lead us to remove those >domains from the list. > >I'll see what I can do tomorrow... I'm finishing putting in production >MailScanner+SpamAssassin+SURBL in a mid-sized ISP... it's 3:00 AM, I >haven't slept a wink, I broke a leg last week and my Doctor insists on >opening it before this weekend to get the bone nailed in place... I >won't be able to walk on my feet for a month and a half :-( > >Regards. Bah! We get guys in hockey get injuries like that all the time. You will be back next season! They always come back! Muahahahahahahahah :) --Chris (Physical contact sport freak!)

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] Re: FP from WS
by Chris Santerre 18 Aug '04

18 Aug '04

Hell yeah! These didn't come from me or Steve! Oh that feels good to say! Of course, I haven't checked all my SURBL emails yet :) --Chris >-----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Chan [mailto:jeffc@surbl.org] >Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 9:19 PM >To: discuss(a)lists.surbl.org >Subject: [SURBL-Discuss] Re: FP from WS > > >On Tuesday, August 17, 2004, 4:33:21 PM, Larry Rosenman wrote: >> The following 2 URIs (and possibly a third) are FP's: > >> i-say-MUNGED.com >> Surveynetworks-MUNGED.com > >> And possibly >> Itracks-MUNGED.com > >> i-say-MUNGED is the IPSOS survey site, and seems legit, and >> surveynetworks-MUNGED >> Is a collection of them. > >> I'm not 100% certain of itracks-MUNGED, but please check. > >> These are all on WS. > >Thanks Larry, >I checked them a little and they all look at least >quasi-legitimate, so I whitelisted them all, plus some >related domains: > >itracks.com >ipsos-reid.com >i-say.com >venteinc.com >surveynetworks.com > >We need to ask the ws folks how these are getting in >and how we can stop them from doing so. > >Jeff C. > >_______________________________________________ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss(a)lists.surbl.org >http://lists.surbl.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] cdbaby.com fp whitelisted
by Chris Santerre 18 Aug '04

18 Aug '04

I submitted from Ryan's submission. But I did check it and it looked spammy. Also had a bunch of NANAS hits, and not just one. I see a pattern of legit sites possibly being con'd by sleezy marketers. Causing them to be listed. It will probably happen in the future despite our best efforts. We can minimise of course. But if the domain is unfamiliar, looks kind of spammy (cdbaby, come one now!), has multiple NANAS or NANAE hits, is reported to be spamming, then most likely it will get listed. I had no doubts when I listed this. I'm still only going by what Jeff has said. But I don't go by what companies quote on there website. Everything Jeff quoted I've seen before on known spam sites. If a site has multiple reports on NANAS, from different people, over a stretch of time, then you bet it sends red flags up for me! I removed then and will update file. --Chris >-----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Chan [mailto:jeffc@surbl.org] >Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2004 6:08 PM >To: SURBL Discuss >Subject: [SURBL-Discuss] cdbaby.com fp whitelisted > > >cdbaby.com was on ws. I've whitelisted it along with a couple >others: > >_______________________________________________ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss(a)lists.surbl.org >http://lists.surbl.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >

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Re: [SURBL-Discuss] FP in ws.surbl.org domeus_REMOVE.com /domeus_REMOVE.es
by Jeff Chan 18 Aug '04

18 Aug '04

On Wednesday, August 18, 2004, 12:14:26 AM, Joe Wein wrote: >> Thanks, I've whitelisted: >> >> domeus.com >> domeus.es > Could you whitelist domeus.de also, just in case. I run a mailing list on > that service. > They are rumoured to have some problems, but basically are legitimate. Thanks, I've whitelisted the domains on their main page: ecircle-ag.com domeus.com domeus.de domeus.co.uk domeus.es domeus.fr domeus.it Jeff C.

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FP from WS
by Larry Rosenman 18 Aug '04

18 Aug '04

The following 2 URIs (and possibly a third) are FP's: i-say-MUNGED.com Surveynetworks-MUNGED.com And possibly Itracks-MUNGED.com i-say-MUNGED is the IPSOS survey site, and seems legit, and surveynetworks-MUNGED Is a collection of them. I'm not 100% certain of itracks-MUNGED, but please check. These are all on WS. -- Larry Rosenman http://www.lerctr.org/~ler Phone: +1 972-414-9812 E-Mail: ler(a)lerctr.org US Mail: 1905 Steamboat Springs Drive, Garland, TX 75044-6749

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[SURBL-Discuss] FP in ws.surbl.org domeus_REMOVE.com / domeus_REMOVE.es
by Mariano Absatz 18 Aug '04

18 Aug '04

Hi people, hi Bill... I just detected a FP in ws.surbl.org... and I was the one who submitted the domains :-( It's 2 domains: domeus_REMOVE.com / domeus_REMOVE.es It seems to be some kind of public list server with little control about what their users/customers subscribe. I'll look in my spamcan for the offending messages and will try to contact them to see if they do something about those customers. But I got the FP from a message forwarded from a completely legit mailing list, so I guess our policy should lead us to remove those domains from the list. I'll see what I can do tomorrow... I'm finishing putting in production MailScanner+SpamAssassin+SURBL in a mid-sized ISP... it's 3:00 AM, I haven't slept a wink, I broke a leg last week and my Doctor insists on opening it before this weekend to get the bone nailed in place... I won't be able to walk on my feet for a month and a half :-( Regards. -- Mariano Absatz - El Baby el (dot) baby (AT) gmail (dot) com el (punto) baby (ARROBA:@) gmail (punto) com

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ya.com likely FP in WS
by Patrik Nilsson 18 Aug '04

18 Aug '04

ya.com is listed in WS. I can't find any recent NANAS reports where the domain is used in uri's. They seem to be an ISP, with the domain showing up in footers in legit mail when their webmail service is used. Patrik

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cdbaby.com fp whitelisted
by Jeff Chan 18 Aug '04

18 Aug '04

cdbaby.com was on ws. I've whitelisted it along with a couple others: cdbaby.com hostbaby.com hitmedia.com This site claims to be the largest seller of independent musician CDs on the web: http://www.cdbaby.com/about > * In business, and thriving, since March 1998. We're the > largest seller of independent CDs on the web. [...] > Current Numbers: > > * 69,591 artists sell their CD at CD Baby. > * 1,129,709 CDs sold online to customers. > * $9,041,358.43 paid to artists. > > CD Baby Privacy Policy > > * We NEVER give or sell your personal info to any other > company - EVER! (No not even your email address!) > * Only the musician whose CD you buy will know who you are. > * If you don't even want the musician to know about you, > just say so at the bottom of your order form. There's no way this domain should ever have been listed, even if one of the artists using it DID spam. ws folks please trace this one back. We don't want more like this. Is anyone researching these before they get added? Even a cursory glance at their web page would show them to probably be legitimate. We really need to try to eliminate FPs or they will hurt the project. Jeff C.

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Donation button added
by Jeff Chan 18 Aug '04

18 Aug '04

Raymond had suggested it while ago, but I've added a donation button to the SURBL site. Hope that's ok with everyone. (Of course it's all voluntary.) The account is my personal one since SURBL doesn't really have a business entity. We would use any donations to pay for bandwidth, hosting or other expenses that come up, perhaps including setting up an additional data server at a new location elsewhere in the world for some extra redundancy. Jeff C.

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cdbaby.com fp whitelisted
by Jeff Chan 18 Aug '04

18 Aug '04

cdbaby.com was on ws. I've whitelisted it along with a couple others:

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