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China revokes Viagra patent so it can make locally
by Jeff Chan 14 Aug '04

14 Aug '04

Of possibly major significance to phramaspam, the Chinese government apparently has revoked Pfizer's Viagra patent so their own companies can make it locally: <http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20040805/hl_afp/china_health_v…> > Thu Aug 5, 7:17 AM ET > BEIJING (AFP) - Chinese pharmaceutical makers are planning to > jointly produce a local variant of Viagra after Pfizer Inc of > the US lost its patent protection in China for the popular drug. > Without citing a source, state media reported Wednesday the 17 > pharmaceutical companies, headed by Tonghua Hongtaomao > Pharmaceutical Co Ltd. from northeastern China, are hoping to > set up a joint-stock company to make an erectile dysfunction > drug that would cost only half the price of Viagra. This may create new incentives for and types of pill spams. Jeff C. -- Jeff Chan mailto:jeffc@surbl.org http://www.surbl.org/

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partstrain.com potential FP on OB.
by Patrik Nilsson 14 Aug '04

14 Aug '04

partstrain.com is listed on OB. They show up in sponsor links on a discussion list for Amnesty International members (a list hosted by mainsleaze spammers Topica...). They seem to be a legit autoparts company. I can't find any abuse reports on NANAS that mention partstrain.com, but one news group post indicating they might be a bit shady. Not sure about this one. I'll whitelist it locally if there is a reason for it being on OB. Patrik

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Re: SpamAssassin Logo Update
by Jeff Chan 14 Aug '04

14 Aug '04

FWIW I agree with most of your own comments. The arrow is much more meaningful in cross-cultural symbolism than the shuriken. (Even many Japanese people would probably more readily recognize the arrow than the Shuriken, which is an obscure and impractical weapon at best.) The tie in with Apache is an added plus. I like the top (closest to original?) logo the best. I find your logo clean, professional, meaningful and, frankly, pretty. Those are hard to come by. Congratulations on nice work. Jeff C.

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fp: straight dope dot com
by Steven Champeon 13 Aug '04

13 Aug '04

Why is this domain listed? I know the jokeaday folks are scum, but heck, I subscribe to the straight dope list. -- hesketh.com/inc. v: +1(919)834-2552 f: +1(919)834-2554 w: http://hesketh.com Buy "Cascading Style Sheets: Separating Content from Presentation, 2/e" today! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/159059231X/heskecominc-20/ref=nosim/

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URL spam using google search
by Yusuf Goolamabbas 13 Aug '04

13 Aug '04

Not sure if this was ever discussed on this list. >Ksd DSCg RAZIfdY pi pzwoKCB > > >Smokers Club... > > >Check links bellow and you will find the sites offering fresh cigarettes: >MARLBORO 12,40 per carton >CAMEL 11,80 per carton >WINSTON 10,45 per carton >and much more, with guaranteed US delivery! > >Avoid wasting money! Just use one of the following >links (WHICHEVER YOUR PREFER) > > ><http://www.google.com/search?q=unbelievably+cheap+cigarettes+incomparable+s…>Unbelievably >cheap cigarettes OR >http://www.google.com/search?q=unbelievably+cheap+cigarettes+incomparable+s… >OR >Smokers Club, Shtefani Lopedius, Ñhairman HH UWEjf DeyHdM QDEY AVYTbGCZs >OW gekyJ klS yA UVU ----- End forwarded message ----- -- Yusuf Goolamabbas yusufg(a)outblaze.com

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Possible fps
by Jeff Chan 13 Aug '04

13 Aug '04

Here is a list of 130 domains that come from messages have been manually marked as "not spam" at a large but deliberately unnamed mail provider. We may want to consider whitelisting these. Here's a summary of matches against the lists, with some overlap: list count: 130 ws: 77 ob: 54 ab: 2 ph: 4 sc: 0 activismispatriotism.org anwod.com anyxhost.com appleseedsacks.com aramova.com asexstoryforyou.com asianangels.com autumntiger.com b33r.us barnstablepatriot.com bigbigsavings.com bl4h.net cashspiders.info casinovendors.com challengerone.com cherryinc.com chinese960.com cllgeprgamsonlne.biz cmaya.com cn4e.com conception766pi11.us condominiums.tk coolerfix.com courrielleur.com dakotacom.net easysitelaunch.com eletricjoy-bz.com eletricjoy-hm.com emailministry.org findbrooke.com fivecentclicks.com freepornofreeporn.com gaingreenbacks.com gayartworks.org geileheissemaus.com getuni.com golady.com goldnow.st grmushkinsexxx.com healthinsurancesavings.com heightmax.com hottigotti.com humaniststudies.org hunt4stuff.com iasurvey.org indiapakistanpeace.org kehuidao.com kimberlygordon.biz lavahelp.net lenovo2008.com letnaderdebate.org livingmath.net lowratesource.com lvalite.com magicpages.biz manchuriangame.com marketingdealtime.com marketmysite.com maybeyes.biz megacockcravers.com mellamed.com memri.org.il messagizer.de micropoint.biz misshaped982twisty.com monarchhs.com mtnonline.com mxincome.com myebay-secure.net mypharmanex.com nameauditors.com newsenterpriseonline.com nexuswebs.net niceshemale.net numbersusa.com onlneductnprgms.biz onlywantsex.net ourpictures.com outplan.com.br ownsthis.com paidbymouse.com pcdepot.co.il pdgexchanger.com pdginventory.com peoplejudgebush.org peterforflorida.com philosc.com pksnetwork.com plainfunxe.com politicalbrew.com qerhj.com recyclemycell.com rxmedaid.com sandicarismasport.com santosdiablos.com savedarfur.org scotclayton.org scottrader.com securybanks.net smileycons.com soroacaba.us spaceports.com spamusement.com stayandorplay.com tastingsjournal.com thundercloud.net topvaluenow.com totallyamateurs.com trickortranny.com ultraqualityforyou.com unitedemailsystems.com usabusiness1.com utadaexodus.com utopiafootball.com vetomail.com vherb.idv.tw webmasterlose.de webmldlz.com widomaker.com worldjobs.us wz-bbs.com xfhotel.net xfjob.net xfsale.net xfte.net xuevsdes.net yourdomainhere.com youthbuy.net ysmtrucker.com zdrux.com Jeff C. -- Jeff Chan mailto:jeffc@surbl.org http://www.surbl.org/

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Zone data
by Ryan Thompson 12 Aug '04

12 Aug '04

Hi all, I decided it was finally high time to fill out the rsync access form, so I did that yesterday. (By the way, Jeff, I think I forgot to click the "If we may publish..." checkbox. You can pretend I did. ;-) Until I get the access information, is there a perhaps less current source I could do a one-time download from to better test my rbldnsd installation? My Googling was hopeless. - Ryan, the Occasionally Impatient -- Ryan Thompson <ryan(a)sasknow.com> SaskNow Technologies - http://www.sasknow.com 901-1st Avenue North - Saskatoon, SK - S7K 1Y4 Tel: 306-664-3600 Fax: 306-244-7037 Saskatoon Toll-Free: 877-727-5669 (877-SASKNOW) North America

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] RE: (1) Another Possible FP, and (2) header p arsing issues
by Chris Santerre 12 Aug '04

12 Aug '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Rob McEwen [mailto:rob@pvsys.com] >Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 12:17 PM >To: 'Chris Santerre'; 'SURBL Discussion list' >Subject: RE: [SURBL-Discuss] RE: (1) Another Possible FP, and >(2) header >parsing issues >Importance: High > > >Chris said: > >>I'm confused. (Theres a first!) SURBL only >>check the body for URLs. How did the message-ID get hit? > >Its simply an issue where someone's implementation of SURBL >provided the >option of extracting domains out of either (1) the header, >and/or (2) the >client's IP address, and/or (3) the body of the e-mail. Any >combination was >possible/configurable. The "default" setting was to use all three. > >The following is the software package that I am using for >SURBL filtering: > >http://www.2150.com/regexfilter/ > >I chose this because it works well with my Merak IceWarp >webmail software I >have running on Windows 2000 server. > >The guy who wrote this is very smart. Because he uses the >filter for himself >and didn't have to worry about "clients", he was very >aggressive with his >default settings both for SURBL and for other linguistic aspects of his >filter. Just about everyone using it has had to contend with having to >"loosen" it in a number of ways to prevent false positives for their >clients... but this was a small price to pay for a well >designed and FREE >software package. > Ah now I see. I would strongly say to NOT use SURBL on headers. Too many faked headers. --Chris (Beer me!)

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[SURBL-Discuss] RE: (1) Another Possible FP, and (2) header parsing issues
by Rob McEwen 12 Aug '04

12 Aug '04

I have a two-part question: (1) header parsing issues... I was reading a web site discussing an implementation of SURBL on the IceWarp web server (using a third party add-on). One person complained that there are too many false positives when submitting IPs and domains found in the header of the e-mail. They felt like ONLY the body of the message should be examined. I see good arguments both ways. For example, parsing the header can catch spam which was originally sent to one place, but then forwarded to another. On the other hand, actual affiliate URLs would only normally occur in the body of the message. Any thoughts or suggestions? (2) Another Possible FP... This person was asked to give an example of a message which shouldn't have been blocked and which would have gone through if the header wasn't parsed. They provided an example which had the following line in the header: Message-ID: <000b01c47f1a$e02f73e0$0200a8c0(a)MUNGED-callatg.com> The offending domain was MUNGED-callatg.com Therefore, I must ask, could MUNGED-callatg.com be a FP? The reason I suspect so is because they mentioned that this company is a division of GE. Please check on this. Rob McEwen

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fp whitelisted: callatg.com, others
by Jeff Chan 12 Aug '04

12 Aug '04

I've whitelisted: atgi.net callatg.com advancedtelcom.com All of which belong to the same legitimate company. They make telephone switch hardware, etc. and I knew someone who worked there. callatg.com was on ws. Bill can you see how it got on? Jeff C.

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Re: Message Not Getting to the SURBL List
by Jeff Chan 12 Aug '04

12 Aug '04

On Thursday, August 12, 2004, 7:27:06 AM, Rob McEwen wrote: > Jeff, > The enclosed message is not getting to the list (See attached). If this is > due to a normal delay, please disregard this message. > Thanks, > Rob McEwen I can't see your message getting out. Maybe I can ask you to gateway this back to them: SURBLs should be used on message body URIs, not message headers. Though I can see some of the reasons for wanting to try on headers, they're really meant for URIs. I've whitelisted: atgi.net callatg.com advancedtelcom.com All of which belong to the same legitimate company. Jeff C. -- Jeff Chan mailto:jeffc@surbl.org http://www.surbl.org/

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] Possible fps
by Chris Santerre 12 Aug '04

12 Aug '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: William Stearns [mailto:wstearns@pobox.com] >Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 10:54 AM >To: SURBL Discussion list >Cc: 'Jeff Chan'; Chris Santerre; William Stearns >Subject: RE: [SURBL-Discuss] Possible fps > > >Good morning, Chris, > >On Thu, 12 Aug 2004, Chris Santerre wrote: > >> I would like to hand check these. We should split the list >up. I volunteer >> to check A-H on the list. I'll check them this afternoon. > > I've done A-L. The problem is, without actual spam or >ham emails, >a lot of these can't be added to either white or black lists. > Chris, could you do M-Z, and whitelist the domains that are >certain to be FP's, and not do anything about the rest? > Cheers, > - Bill > Sure thing! M-Z is for me ;) --Chris

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] Possible fps
by Chris Santerre 12 Aug '04

12 Aug '04

I would like to hand check these. We should split the list up. I volunteer to check A-H on the list. I'll check them this afternoon. --Chris >-----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Chan [mailto:jeffc@surbl.org] >Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 3:59 AM >To: SURBL Discuss >Subject: [SURBL-Discuss] Possible fps > > >Here is a list of 130 domains that come from messages have been >manually marked as "not spam" at a large but deliberately unnamed >mail provider. We may want to consider whitelisting these. > >Here's a summary of matches against the lists, with some overlap: > >list count: 130 > >ws: 77 >ob: 54 >ab: 2 >ph: 4 >sc: 0 > >activismispatriotism.org >anwod.com >anyxhost.com >appleseedsacks.com >aramova.com >asexstoryforyou.com >asianangels.com >autumntiger.com >b33r.us >barnstablepatriot.com >bigbigsavings.com >bl4h.net >cashspiders.info >casinovendors.com >challengerone.com >cherryinc.com >chinese960.com >cllgeprgamsonlne.biz >cmaya.com >cn4e.com >conception766pi11.us >condominiums.tk >coolerfix.com >courrielleur.com >dakotacom.net >easysitelaunch.com >eletricjoy-bz.com >eletricjoy-hm.com >emailministry.org >findbrooke.com >fivecentclicks.com >freepornofreeporn.com >gaingreenbacks.com >gayartworks.org >geileheissemaus.com >getuni.com >golady.com >goldnow.st >grmushkinsexxx.com >healthinsurancesavings.com >heightmax.com >hottigotti.com >humaniststudies.org >hunt4stuff.com >iasurvey.org >indiapakistanpeace.org >kehuidao.com >kimberlygordon.biz >lavahelp.net >lenovo2008.com >letnaderdebate.org >livingmath.net >lowratesource.com >lvalite.com >magicpages.biz >manchuriangame.com >marketingdealtime.com >marketmysite.com >maybeyes.biz >megacockcravers.com >mellamed.com >memri.org.il >messagizer.de >micropoint.biz >misshaped982twisty.com >monarchhs.com >mtnonline.com >mxincome.com >myebay-secure.net >mypharmanex.com >nameauditors.com >newsenterpriseonline.com >nexuswebs.net >niceshemale.net >numbersusa.com >onlneductnprgms.biz >onlywantsex.net >ourpictures.com >outplan.com.br >ownsthis.com >paidbymouse.com >pcdepot.co.il >pdgexchanger.com >pdginventory.com >peoplejudgebush.org >peterforflorida.com >philosc.com >pksnetwork.com >plainfunxe.com >politicalbrew.com >qerhj.com >recyclemycell.com >rxmedaid.com >sandicarismasport.com >santosdiablos.com >savedarfur.org >scotclayton.org >scottrader.com >securybanks.net >smileycons.com >soroacaba.us >spaceports.com >spamusement.com >stayandorplay.com >tastingsjournal.com >thundercloud.net >topvaluenow.com >totallyamateurs.com >trickortranny.com >ultraqualityforyou.com >unitedemailsystems.com >usabusiness1.com >utadaexodus.com >utopiafootball.com >vetomail.com >vherb.idv.tw >webmasterlose.de >webmldlz.com >widomaker.com >worldjobs.us >wz-bbs.com >xfhotel.net >xfjob.net >xfsale.net >xfte.net >xuevsdes.net >yourdomainhere.com >youthbuy.net >ysmtrucker.com >zdrux.com > >Jeff C. >-- >Jeff Chan >mailto:jeffc@surbl.org >http://www.surbl.org/ > >_______________________________________________ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss(a)lists.surbl.org >http://lists.surbl.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] Re: another round on the SpamAssassin logos?
by Chris Santerre 12 Aug '04

12 Aug '04

Um....I know we are going to do this logo contest for SARE....so.....SURBL? >-----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Chan [mailto:jeffc@surbl.org] >Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 6:01 AM >To: SURBL Discuss >Subject: [SURBL-Discuss] Re: another round on the SpamAssassin logos? > > >FWIW I think the arrow one is by far the best. Professional, >pretty, meaningful, etc... I like the one with only the >orange message being hit the best. > >Jeff C. > >_______________________________________________ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss(a)lists.surbl.org >http://lists.surbl.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >

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RE: Another Possible FP and header parsing issues
by Rob McEwen 12 Aug '04

12 Aug '04

I have a two-part question: (1) header parsing issues... I was reading a web site discussing an implementation of SURBL on the IceWarp web server (using a third party add-on). One person complained that there are too many false positives when submitting IPs and domains found in the header of the e-mail. They felt like ONLY the body of the message should be examined. I see good arguments both ways. For example, parsing the header can catch spam which was originally sent to one place, but then forwarded to another. On the other hand, actual affiliate URLs would only normally occur in the body of the message. Any thoughts or suggestions? (2) Another Possible FP... This person was asked to give an example of a message which shouldn't have been blocked and which would have gone through if the header wasn't parsed. They provided an example which had the following line in the header: Message-ID: <000b01c47f1a$e02f73e0$0200a8c0(a)MUNGED-callatg.com> The offending domain was MUNGED-callatg.com Therefore, I must ask, could MUNGED-callatg.com be a FP? The reason I suspect so is because they mentioned that this company is a division of GE. Please check on this.

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Re: another round on the SpamAssassin logos?
by Jeff Chan 12 Aug '04

12 Aug '04

FWIW I think the arrow one is by far the best. Professional, pretty, meaningful, etc... I like the one with only the orange message being hit the best. Jeff C.

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Whitelisting allthesites.org
by Jeff Chan 12 Aug '04

12 Aug '04

I'm whitelisting allthesites.org which appears in WS and may be a false positive. Would the WS folks please check it and also remove if appropriate. It looks to be a domain that has appeared in a few spam headers, meaning it's an occasional spam sending domain. Thanks, Jeff C.

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Re: lakegrp.com
by Jeff Chan 11 Aug '04

11 Aug '04

On Wednesday, August 11, 2004, 2:36:57 PM, Jim McEntee wrote: > URIBL: multi.surbl.org: listed [Blocked, lakegrp.com on lists [ws], See: > <http://www.surbl.org/lists.html> http://www.surbl.org/lists.html] > Hello, > I am the administrator of lakegrp.com, this is a legitimate domain. > Thanks. Thanks I've whitlisted: lakegrp.com lakegroupmedia.com Any others? WS admins please take this out of WS and check how it got in. It's a 1994 registered domain.... Jeff C. -- Jeff Chan mailto:jeffc@surbl.org http://www.surbl.org/

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freehosting.net FP on WS
by Patrik Nilsson 11 Aug '04

11 Aug '04

freehosting.net is listed in WS. freehosting.net has been around since 1998. Subdomains are available to customers. Most of these customers and subdomains are not spammers. Checking NANAS reports vs. other postings on Google Groups indicate that having freehosting.net listed will generate a lot of false positives and catch almost no spam. Patrik

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enya1.cjb.net
by Chris Santerre 11 Aug '04

11 Aug '04

cjb.net is a redirecting service. However they 'appear' to not tolerate spammers. On thing I DON'T like is that when you go to this site, it tries to install "free access" plugin! (Thanx again FireFox!) ANyone got anymore on these guys? Chris Santerre System Admin and SARE Ninja http://www.rulesemporium.com http://www.surbl.org 'It is not the strongest of the species that survives, not the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change.' Charles Darwin

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{Spam?} Re: Lowering TTLs
by Rob McEwen 11 Aug '04

11 Aug '04

Jeff said: >OK I'm going to go ahead and reduce the TTLs on the zones >to one hour. That's for all zones other than sc.surbl.org >which has a 10 minute TTL. It includes multi also. >Let's watch name server traffic and see if it changes much >as a result. Of course it's a little difficult to measure >this now since SpamAssassin 3.0 is also rolling out with SURBL >support. But if DNS traffic goes up too much we can back >this off. >I'd still like to experiment with shorter and longer TTLs >at some point to try to optimize them further. >Jeff C. I goofed by replying to this, thus hijacking his sub-thread with another topic. Hopefully, Im repairing the damage here :) I would add that another interesting question is: how many out there are using everything but multi in order to get catch more of the newer stuff faster? If so, it seems to me that the combined extra lookups done on multiple surbl lists would be a larger strain on resources when compared to doing a single lookup on the multi list where the multi list has a shorter TTL time. Follow? (I admit, I recently abandoned the multi list in favor of using ALL other lists for this very reason. I will now switch to two lists: multi & sc) Rob McEwen

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] RE: Pesky Pron Spam
by Chris Santerre 11 Aug '04

11 Aug '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Rob McEwen [mailto:webmaster@powerviewsystems.com] >Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 9:02 AM >To: 'SURBL Discussion list' >Subject: [SURBL-Discuss] RE: Pesky Pron Spam >Importance: High > > >I keep getting this "pesky" pron spam which gets past my all >my filters (my >regex-based linguestic filter, my spamhaus.org RBL filter, and my SURBL >filter). > >I think that these are getting blocked the next day, but this >particular >spammer is very aggressive and keeps sending new stuff so I >keep getting the >new stuff before it gets a chance to get blocked. > >I have noticed some patterns in the e-mails. For example, they all have >three images stacked vertically. Therefore, I think that I >should be able to >catch these with the right formulation of rules within my >linguistic filter. > >You can find the raw contents of my most recent two of these >as follows: > >http://www.pvsys.com/pn01.txt > >http://www.pvsys.com/pn02.txt > >Does anyone have any suggestions? Note that I am not using >SpamAssassin. I >am using another program. However, if SpamAssassin already >handles this, >could someone point me to the rules that SpamAssassin uses so >that I can use >these as a guide? Any other suggestions? > >Thanks! > >Rob McEwen > > Look at these things they have in common. Need to look at rawbody code. alt=3d =2e(org|gif|htm) #split into 3 name=3dgenerator ==.HTM bgColor=3d face=3d src=3d border=3d title=3d face=3d <STYLE></STYLE> Needs to be one big meta rule HTH --Chris

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Re: [SURBL-Zones] Lowering TTLs
by Jeff Chan 11 Aug '04

11 Aug '04

On Monday, August 9, 2004, 3:37:56 PM, Jeff Chan wrote: > I thinking about dropping the TTL on the lists that had 6 and 8 > hour TTLs down to 1 hour in order to get new entries active > sooner. We have not tested this to see what effect it would have > on traffic; an experiment we would still like to try with a > range of different TTLs. > Does anyone have any objections to this? It would still be > longer than the default 35 minute TTL that rbldnsd uses. OK I'm going to go ahead and reduce the TTLs on the zones to one hour. That's for all zones other than sc.surbl.org which has a 10 minute TTL. It includes multi also. Let's watch name server traffic and see if it changes much as a result. Of course it's a little difficult to measure this now since SpamAssassin 3.0 is also rolling out with SURBL support. But if DNS traffic goes up too much we can back this off. I'd still like to experiment with shorter and longer TTLs at some point to try to optimize them further. Jeff C. -- Jeff Chan mailto:jeffc@surbl.org http://www.surbl.org/

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{Spam?} RE: [SURBL-Discuss] RE: Pesky Pron Spam
by Rob McEwen 11 Aug '04

11 Aug '04

I said: >However, I might integrate this domain >list "*namefromlist*.org" as a factor >in a compound rule. To be clear, I was referring to only the original list of 36 names, NOT the compiled list of 1300+ domain names. Rob McEwen

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] RE: Pesky Pron Spam
by Chris Santerre 11 Aug '04

11 Aug '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Steven Champeon [mailto:schampeo@hesketh.com] >Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 11:48 AM >To: 'SURBL Discussion list' >Subject: Re: [SURBL-Discuss] RE: Pesky Pron Spam > > >on Wed, Aug 11, 2004 at 09:49:39AM -0400, Chris Santerre wrote: >> Look at these things they have in common. Need to look at >rawbody code. >> >> alt=3d >> =2e(org|gif|htm) #split into 3 >> name=3dgenerator >> ==.HTM >> bgColor=3d >> face=3d >> src=3d >> border=3d >> title=3d >> face=3d >> <STYLE></STYLE> >> >> Needs to be one big meta rule > >...that will also catch pretty much every last MSHTML email ever sent. >That's just base64-encoded HTML, Chris. The empty STYLE element may >be unique, but I doubt it. > >I first successfully quarantined these by searching on > ><BIG><STRONG> >and ><STRONG><BIG> > >in the body. That should be sufficient without FPs. But these >others are >common enough that I wouldn't want to risk it, even in a big compound >rule. > >-- LOL yeah now that I look at it.......yup. Silly! I should never try to pattern match without coffee. Of course this was off the top of my head without any testing. The SARE ninjas would have flogged me good on that one :) --Chris

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