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Hatcheck: this one is a toughy for me....
by Chris Santerre 20 May '04

20 May '04

205.236.189.57 = www.Default-Homepage-Network.com thoughts on this? Chris Santerre System Admin and SARE Ninja http://www.rulesemporium.com 'It is not the strongest of the species that survives, not the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change.' Charles Darwin

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] Fwd: Re: ANTI-SURBL technique used by spammer
by Chris Santerre 20 May '04

20 May '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Raymond Dijkxhoorn [mailto:raymond@prolocation.net] >Sent: Thursday, May 20, 2004 5:32 AM >To: Jeff Chan; SURBL Discussion list >Subject: Re: [SURBL-Discuss] Fwd: Re: ANTI-SURBL technique used by >spammer > > >Hi! > >> I brought it up due to the possible bad uses of this >technology. It's >> possible for a spammer to use this service for free >bandwidth for images and >> other content (flash, etc). >> >> This is just one of those things to hold on to and keep an >eye out for, if >> the word get's out, the spammers might try and abuse it. >From the message >> boards, most people don't care what it's used for, except >those using 40 GB >> per day in illegal movie downloads cause they choose to be a mirror. > >> >> Are you aware of http://freecache.org ? >> >> Take a look here if not: >> >> http://slashdot.org/articles/04/05/12/1635205.shtml?tid=126&tid=95 >> >> Thanks! > >We might tell them about SURBL and ask to implement caching >only for non >listed domains. Others implemented things like that allready. >Jeff, can >you take that actionpoint? > >Bye, >Raymond. I think that is a fantastic idea! They want there service to be great. It can't be if they are blacklisted. I second the motion to contact them. Can't hurt. --Chris

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DNS for dummies
by rleonard＠opto22.com 20 May '04

20 May '04

Hi all.. I'm a wanna be Linux guy who somehow, even with my own ineptitude, managed to get SA 2.63 with Qmail up and running on Redhat 9.0! Recently I got the SURBL's working and they have helped a LOT (I have a very weak box that is running SA.. so the lookups saved a lot of processing time!).. however.. I have noticed my outgoing traffic on our T1 has shot through the roof. I currently have the Linux box using our ISP's DNS server for lookups.. I'm guessing it would be much more efficient if I had the linux box do it, cache it.. I've even read about having it transfer the SURBL zones directly so that lookups remain local.. Has anybody written a "HOWTO DNS" for dummies.. that could help walk me through setting this up on my Linux box? Thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Re: ANTI-SURBL technique used by spammer
by Jeff Chan 20 May '04

20 May '04

Thanks Fred, I have whitelisted freecache.org, which in terms of proper operations of SURBLs should be all that's needed to prevent false positives and allow the actual spam sites to be caught. In terms of using freecache to distribute hosting of the SURBL web site, we'll look into that. I am asking freecache.org to consider blocking access to their services for spammers, as metamark is doing for redirection using SURBL data. Jeff C. __ On Wednesday, May 19, 2004, 3:30:00 PM, Fred Fred wrote: > Well, I brought this up for a couple of reasons, it can be used for many > reasons, GOOD and BAD. > Your idea sounds good, it might also be used for some other heavy data files > we host for whatever reason. > I brought it up due to the possible bad uses of this technology. It's > possible for a spammer to use this service for free bandwidth for images and > other content (flash, etc). > This is just one of those things to hold on to and keep an eye out for, if > the word get's out, the spammers might try and abuse it. From the message > boards, most people don't care what it's used for, except those using 40 GB > per day in illegal movie downloads cause they choose to be a mirror. > Frederic Tarasevicius > Internet Information Services, Inc. > http://www.i-is.com/ > 810-794-4400 > mailto:info@i-is.com > Jeff Chan wrote: >> On Wednesday, May 19, 2004, 2:22:38 PM, Fred wrote: >>> Jeff, >>> Are you aware of http://freecache.org ? >>> Take a look here if not: >>> http://slashdot.org/articles/04/05/12/1635205.shtml?tid=126&tid=95 >>> Thanks! >> >>> Frederic Tarasevicius >> >> Thanks for the info Fred. Sounds like akamai for the rest of us. >> :) >> >> Should we publish the surbl site with it? >> >> Jeff C. -- Jeff Chan mailto:jeffc@surbl.org http://www.surbl.org/

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Fwd: Re: ANTI-SURBL technique used by spammer
by Jeff Chan 20 May '04

20 May '04

This is a forwarded message From: Fred <spamassassin(a)freddyt.com> To: "Jeff Chan" <jeffc(a)surbl.org> Date: Wednesday, May 19, 2004, 3:30:00 PM Subject: ANTI-SURBL technique used by spammer ===8<==============Original message text=============== Well, I brought this up for a couple of reasons, it can be used for many reasons, GOOD and BAD. Your idea sounds good, it might also be used for some other heavy data files we host for whatever reason. I brought it up due to the possible bad uses of this technology. It's possible for a spammer to use this service for free bandwidth for images and other content (flash, etc). This is just one of those things to hold on to and keep an eye out for, if the word get's out, the spammers might try and abuse it. From the message boards, most people don't care what it's used for, except those using 40 GB per day in illegal movie downloads cause they choose to be a mirror. Frederic Tarasevicius Internet Information Services, Inc. http://www.i-is.com/ 810-794-4400 mailto:info@i-is.com Jeff Chan wrote: > On Wednesday, May 19, 2004, 2:22:38 PM, Fred wrote: >> Jeff, >> Are you aware of http://freecache.org ? >> Take a look here if not: >> http://slashdot.org/articles/04/05/12/1635205.shtml?tid=126&tid=95 >> Thanks! > >> Frederic Tarasevicius > > Thanks for the info Fred. Sounds like akamai for the rest of us. > :) > > Should we publish the surbl site with it? > > Jeff C. ===8<===========End of original message text=========== -- Jeff Chan mailto:jeffc@surbl.org http://www.surbl.org/

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Draft of rbldnsd with BIND under FreeBSD document
by Jeff Chan 20 May '04

20 May '04

Please take a look at my draft document about using rbldnsd with BIND under FreeBSD: http://www.surbl.org/rbldnsd-bind-freebsd.html And let me know if you have any comments, suggestions, corrections, updates, etc. I wasn't really sure what interface to put the fake address on so I used loopback. Is that ok? Style comments are welcome too. Jeff C.

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Re: ANTI-SURBL technique used by spammer
by Jeff Chan 20 May '04

20 May '04

On Wednesday, May 19, 2004, 2:22:38 PM, Fred wrote: > Jeff, > Are you aware of http://freecache.org ? > Take a look here if not: > http://slashdot.org/articles/04/05/12/1635205.shtml?tid=126&tid=95 > Thanks! > Frederic Tarasevicius Thanks for the info Fred. Sounds like akamai for the rest of us. :) Should we publish the surbl site with it? Jeff C.

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] DNS for dummies
by rleonard＠opto22.com 19 May '04

19 May '04

:) I hate to ask.. but which perl module? -----Original Message----- From: Raymond Dijkxhoorn [mailto:raymond@prolocation.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 1:00 PM To: SURBL Discussion list Subject: RE: [SURBL-Discuss] DNS for dummies Hi! > Thank you! I really appreciate your help. > > I'll check in a day or so to see if my traffic outbound to the Internet has > decreased.. I'm hoping it will! :) > And a 'service named start' > > It will pickup things, the caching-nameserver is only a config and some > zones for bind... Also be sure you are using the latest version of the perl module, thats also helping to lower traffic, less lookups. Bye, Raymond. _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list Discuss(a)lists.surbl.org http://lists.surbl.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] DNS for dummies
by rleonard＠opto22.com 19 May '04

19 May '04

Thank you! I really appreciate your help. I'll check in a day or so to see if my traffic outbound to the Internet has decreased.. I'm hoping it will! :) -----Original Message----- From: Raymond Dijkxhoorn [mailto:raymond@prolocation.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 12:45 PM To: SURBL Discussion list Subject: RE: [SURBL-Discuss] DNS for dummies Hi! > I think I got it.. I added.. > > chkconfig --level 2345 named on > and > I modified the resolv.conf to point to localhost first... > > I installed caching-nameserver.. > > Do I need to do anything else? Does bind automatically know about > 'caching-nameserver'? And a 'service named start' It will pickup things, the caching-nameserver is only a config and some zones for bind... Bye, Raymond. _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list Discuss(a)lists.surbl.org http://lists.surbl.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] DNS for dummies
by rleonard＠opto22.com 19 May '04

19 May '04

I think I got it.. I added.. chkconfig --level 2345 named on and I modified the resolv.conf to point to localhost first... I installed caching-nameserver.. Do I need to do anything else? Does bind automatically know about 'caching-nameserver'? Thanks! -----Original Message----- From: Raymond Dijkxhoorn [mailto:raymond@prolocation.net] Sent: Wednesday, May 19, 2004 10:29 AM To: SURBL Discussion list Subject: Re: [SURBL-Discuss] DNS for dummies Hi! > Hi all.. I'm a wanna be Linux guy who somehow, even with my own ineptitude, > managed to get SA 2.63 with Qmail up and running on Redhat 9.0! Recently I > got the SURBL's working and they have helped a LOT (I have a very weak box > that is running SA.. so the lookups saved a lot of processing time!).. > however.. What version of the URI are you using ? > I have noticed my outgoing traffic on our T1 has shot through the roof. I > currently have the Linux box using our ISP's DNS server for lookups.. I'm > guessing it would be much more efficient if I had the linux box do it, cache > it.. I've even read about having it transfer the SURBL zones directly so > that lookups remain local.. > > Has anybody written a "HOWTO DNS" for dummies.. that could help walk me > through setting this up on my Linux box? Ohw on your local box its simple: Install (via RPM) bind and caching-nameserver Start bind, and edit your /etc/resolve.conf to look on localhost first. Bye, Raymond. _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list Discuss(a)lists.surbl.org http://lists.surbl.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss

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