On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 08:57:08 -0700, Jeff Chan jeffc@surbl.org wrote:
On Friday, September 3, 2004, 8:45:26 AM, Ryan Thompson wrote:
uc@sasknow.com is open for submissions! I'll post another mail (in a new thread) with some more information for anybody who'd like to participate in the test.
Please don't divide our efforts.
If it's not good enough to be included in a definite blacklist, I'm not interested in it.
Jeff C.
Well... don't get mad, Jeff.
The good part of an open technology is that it is, well, open.
I don't think Ryan & Chris are 'dividing efforts', but just doing some research 'standing on other people shoulders' (which many times is the correct place to start).
SURBL, besides the current list which you gather, compile or otherwise endorse by publishing under the subrl.org domain is a new technology with possibly more uses that you or I ever thought of.
Remember when there was only Paul Vixie's RBL out there?... then it transformed into 'MAPS', then appeared other MAPS lists with other logical content (much like the several *.surbl.org) and at some point (maybe before that) other RBLs started to appear...
You have SPEWS with a 'anything spammish in the neibourhood' policy or SBL or a myriad other RBLs, public and private.
The public-use ones usually have a written policy (good or bad, applied or not) about getting into or out of the RBL. It's up to the user to decide whether to use it, in what context and for what purpose.
Now the same thing is about to start with SURBL and I think it is 'A Good Thing (TM)'.
You, as the person responsible for the SURBL project and the surbl.org domain state that you don't endorse the 'uc' list policy. That's fine, you're completely entitled to do so and that is good.
So Ryan can decide that anyway, he'd like to go along with it and he'll be responsible for it (at least during an initial testing phase). That's also fine.
Since you don't endorse this, Ryan should set up the SURBL within his own domain (like, say uc.surbl.sasknow.com or whatever domain he controls and likes) and that's it.
He's effort doesn't have to be even named in the surbl.org site (though, after an initial testing phase, if this seems to work fine it MIGHT be so, but that's totally up to you).
Furthermore, you can politely ask him not to use the SURBL-Discuss mailing list for UC nominations and he can then set up his own mailing list wherever he wants and use it for that.
I don't think you should ban all uc.surbl discussions in this mailing list, but, as a thread gets very uc-related it may be declared O/T.
I think there's much to be won and little to loose by doing things this way... as the SURBL technology proves to be mature and useful, I think more and more SURBL technology lists will start to appear, maybe even for purposes other than identifying spam.
Let's just not get mad about this... let's simply say, the uc list is not an official SURBL-project surbl and it's not even hosted here. Period.
If the idea of uc has enough supporters, it will work, otherwise, it will not, maybe in a couple of months, if it proves successful, we can talk again here about including it or not in the SURBL project and you will be able to decide if you'd rather include it or not and in what context. The final decision, as the SURBL-project responsible person will be yours.
Regars.