----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Chan" jeffc@surbl.org To: "SURBL Discuss" discuss@lists.surbl.org Sent: Sunday, August 29, 2004 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [SURBL-Discuss] SURBL WS test scores in SA 3.0
SURBLs are most useful to catch the ones that can't be caught that way due to zombies, etc.
first time I hear this... and I'd bet most admins don't really really care what or who catches it - I see the SpamcopUri module as another method to stop the trash reaching inboxes... Pls don't misunderstand me: 1. my reports have been judged to be reliable 2. I'll publish the data and its up to you guys to use it or not. 3. I will not publish data considered for local use only. 4. I'll do my best to avoid FP's coz they'll also backfire at me as well .
- There's spammers who have been around for years, from fixed IPs and
although they're so called "whitehats", business with a reputation and
an
attitude (Dell?) and users report that no matter what you do, an
opt-out
isn't respected....
So blacklist them locally or personally. We could never list dell.com because many people might mention them in legitimate emails.
Sometimes I wonder if people understand this new paradigm. ;-)
Dell was just a futile example. Wouldn't dare add them to a global listing, they're not even on a lcoal list, but I get that itch, more than once/week when users get the same Dell Swiss newsletter in french, then german and the again from Dell Germany...
Also I doubt that Dell uses zombied dialups to deliver their mail.
I never assumed they did, just said that they can get extermely annoying.
An admin filtering for an Austria based old ppl's home will hardly get a false positive from SURBL or Spamcop, while a US ISP will.
We need to be conservative in listing. It's much better to be able to provide an ISP or telco-grade solution that the old people's home can feel comfortable with than have a solution no-one can be comfortable with due to too many FPs.
I agree...which is why I keep my local list with the critical entries.
By now I hope my point is clear and that I can get back to copy/pasting URIs :)
thanks
Alex