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Hello Jeff,

(sent one copy without attachment, and from not-listed address; that copy can be deleted without forwarding to list. sorry)

Monday, May 23, 2005, 3:00:09 AM, you wrote:

JC> Message: 7 JC> Date: Mon, 23 May 2005 00:57:48 -0700 JC> From: Jeff Chan jeffc@surbl.org JC> Subject: Re: [SURBL-Discuss] whitelist: accuradio.com JC> To: Joseph Burford josephb@gmail.com JC> Cc: SURBL Discussion list discuss@lists.surbl.org JC> Message-ID: 127069243.20050523005748@surbl.org JC> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii

JC> On Sunday, May 22, 2005, 11:39:05 PM, Joseph Burford wrote:

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Since you say they're whitehats, I'll go ahead and whitelist them in SURBLs. Of minor interest one of their nameservers is on SORBS:

212.118.243.118 dns5.name-services.com

http://www.sorbs.net/lookup.shtml?212.118.243.118

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name-services.com is used by Register.com / Namebargain.com for their customer DNS services.

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Regards,

Hi,

I've been watching this discussion without speaking up for a couple of days now. the domain name-services is very popular with spammers (they seem to be lax in throwing them off), but it has *at least* 20x as many legitimate customers as "bad guys"; That said, I do always double-check when I see it turn up in a domain I'm already looking at - It is a good sign if you already have another reason for checking a domain, but they themselves are mostly extremely clean. The big problem is the domain is operated by eNom for others, and we all probably are aware of the standard eNom procedure for complaints (i.e. forward it to the spammer and ask him to "fix" it) - this makes them look disproportionately bad.

The domain name-services.com itself doesn't belong on any SURBLs (though it does exist within lots of Spamhaus and SPEWS records) or even on URIBL's greylist (though maybe SPEWS should L2 them and eNom itself). They have far, far too many legitimate customers.

Just my opinion/experience.

Paul Shupak track@plectere.com