-----Original Message----- From: Rob McEwen [mailto:rob@powerviewsystems.com] Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:54 AM To: 'SURBL Discussion list'; 'Jeff Chan'; 'SATalk' Subject: RE: [SURBL-Discuss] RE: Applying SURBL against blog comment spammers
SO I say, go ahead and add them.
Chris... where have you been? We have had extensive discussions recently where we all concluded that we have to make getting the FPs down a priority and the only way to do this is to (gulp), allow some graymarketers loose (those who do a some or much spamming but who do have some legitimate uses). It wasn't an easy decision... but the need to get SURBL to a "set it and forget it" point is mission critical.
However I would like to see an example of a spam'd blog.
Happens all the time in the comments section of these blogs. Not often with blogger.com, more often with Moveable Type blogs because (1) these link to the comments section, (2) the comments section is usually permanent with MT, and (3) these comments then get indexed by search engines.
It is this last thing that is key. These blog spammers don't seriously think that they are going to sell much based on human beings viewing their spam. They just want search engine position because Google sees a link from such-in-such blog to the spammers web site as a "vote" by such-in-such blog for that spammers site, thus raising the spammer's site's rankings on Google.
Mischievous... but a very powerful marketing technique!
For examples, see the following:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&q=%22diet+pills%22+
PERFECT!!! So adding these would cause us FPs?
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Those are right from your examples :) I say it is a great source of domains!
And I just removed a few 1000s of domains the other day in the interest of less FPs! Where have you been? :)
On greylists.....see my other post.
--Chris
Chris,
I think you have taken two points I made in an earlier post and mixed them up together. They were meant to be completely independent of each other.
Allowing EUniverse stuff through has nothing to do with whether or not to add MT-Blacklist domains to SURBL.
I'm (reluctantly) in favor of removing EUniverse domains from SURBL.
I'm also in favor of SURBL-listing MT-Blacklist domains... but, like Jeff, I want to learn more about them. (But the list you gave looks like it SHOULD be blocked)
Regarding greylisting, I'm in favor of this as well. At the least, it could be a good flagging or auditing tool. I also gave some related suggestions in a previous post... I'm going to post that again when I get some more time in an hour or two.
Rob McEwen PowerView Systems rob@PowerViewSystems.com (478) 475-9032
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