Discuss November 2004

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Re: [SURBL-Discuss] general questions.....
by Rob McEwen (PowerView Systems) 20 Nov '04

20 Nov '04

> Have any of you seen fewer spams? I don't see many these days. Chris, Overall, I'm getting less and less spam. I think that SURBL is getting better, some graymarketers are cleaning up their acts, and my rules-based filering is also improving. However, a few days ago, I started getting slammed with mortgage spam using the following domains: dalehaym.biz dalehay.biz daleqhay.biz damphenm.biz darbherm.biz darbhero.biz darbkher.biz rbkher.biz (& others) An example spam is found here: http://www.pvsys.com/recentspamsample.txt In this example, the domain is: darbherm.biz ...but darbherm.biz doesn't resolve to anything. However, usa.darbherm.biz DOES resolve. (Of course, you have to go to the actual URL to get to a substantive page... see actual e-mail). (1) Could the fact that the baseline domain doesn't resolve have tricked us into thinking that these were no longer active? (2) Also, in a not-quite-applicable but related thought, should we rethink the policies for removing "dead" domains out of SURBL if they STILL appear in spams. For example, suppose a virus sends out the same spam for a now defunct domain over and over again... shouldn't such a domain STILL be listed in SURBL? Finally, maybe these particular domains I listed at the top of this message are not in SURBL because of having legit uses? But I must say that this particular "series" of spam came all of a sudden and ferociously frequent. For example, a couple of my clients would be getting at least a couple of dozen of these SAME e-mails **per day** if I hadn't adjusted my rules based filter to screen these out. Clearly, this kind of behavior where the spam is sent repeatedly each day is NOT playing by the rules. Rob McEwen

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] general questions.....
by Chris Santerre 19 Nov '04

19 Nov '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Chan [mailto:jeffc@surbl.org] >Sent: Friday, November 19, 2004 9:50 AM >To: SURBL Discuss >Subject: Re: [SURBL-Discuss] general questions..... > > >On Friday, November 19, 2004, 6:39:31 AM, Chris Santerre wrote: >>>From: Jeff Chan [mailto:jeffc@surbl.org] > >>>> I have not done any study of domains that continue to try to >>>spam despite >>>> being in SURBL. Any numbers on these? Possibly the >>>most/longest hit domain >>>> in SURBL lookups?? >>> >>>> SHould we post the top 25 lookups to SURBL? >>> >>>You mean like: >>> >>> http://www.surbl.org/dns-queries.blocklist.counts.txt >>> > >> Perfect! This is what I mean, block port 80 (or all ports >for that matter) >> for > >> Hits Domain >> 1875 imgehost.com > >> Hosted by Electric Lightwave, eli.net. > >> Domain List matching dns_a of 67.50.118.130 >> 48 total matches > >> * 1: 123onlinecash.com >> * 2: 500fastcash.com >[...] > >Uh, but that won't block the spam.... > This one is a reply to Rob as well. No, I'm thinking outside our 'norm'. This is not the sending IP. This is the hosting IP. You are correct in saying this will not stop spam coming. Unless SA starts to tag by looking up the IP of the URL. Which a certain ninja has been working on ;) This will stop any ads from showing up in the spam. This will allow others to black this so there users don't click on the junk being spamed. This will also say to ISPs, "Clean up your act, or no one will pay to be hosted by you anymore!". Its more an offensive strike against spam, rather then always being defensive. --Chris

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] general questions.....
by Chris Santerre 19 Nov '04

19 Nov '04

Oh....I meant deny port 80. Not MX. Sorry. --Chris >-----Original Message----- >From: Rob McEwen (PowerView Systems) [mailto:rob@powerviewsystems.com] >Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 3:27 PM >To: SURBL Discussion list >Subject: RE: [SURBL-Discuss] general questions..... > >maybe denying these by IP at firewall? Also, the IP address of the sending server is NOT necessarily the IP address of the NameServer the domain is assigned to. (Or maybe I'm misunderstanding you altogether) Also... I don't mean to be so negative... certainly, this is the kind of brainstorming that leads to great ideas. I'm just double-checking your ideas :) Rob McEwen _______________

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] general questions.....
by Rob McEwen (PowerView Systems) 19 Nov '04

19 Nov '04

> Hits Domain > 1875 imgehost.com > Hosted by Electric Lightwave, eli.net. > Domain List matching dns_a of > 48 total matches Chris, Just to help me understand you better, is the actual **sending server** for these particular spams always (or even mostly) "67.50.118.130" when looking at "real world" data? The reason that I ask is because the sending server is not necessarily the same server/IP as the IP address that the domain name itself resolves to. This is important because the sending server's IP is what gets checked with regular RBL blocking. Rob McEwen

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] general questions.....
by Chris Santerre 19 Nov '04

19 Nov '04

> >SHould we post the top 25 lookups to SURBL? This way people can look at >maybe denying these by IP at firewall? > >--Chris >(I am an anal-retentive and highly-clueful well-motivated maniac.) ;) AN example to my own question: 63.251.163.112 Domain List matching dns_a of 63.251.163.112 308 total matches * 1: 01890.com * 2: 07078.com * 3: 1by.net * 4: 1dq.com * 5: 2000greatings.com * 6: 247ezmoney.com * 7: 24host-2.net * 8: 24newsengine.com * 9: 2night.us * 10: 2us.org * 11: 4hermail.com * 12: 4omni.com * 13: 4usamail.com * 14: 4yourmarriage.net * 15: 4yournextbiz.com * 16: 820.com * 17: a-pinups.com * 18: aaafes.com * 19: aaazzz.com * 20: abstractionists.com * 21: accesstosuccess.biz * 22: aclama.com * 23: acrosage.com * 24: acsalaksa.net * 25: activefactory.com * 26: actnownames.com * 27: acution.com * 28: addlebrain.com * 29: adultcompanion.com * 30: adultsite.com * 31: adulttryouts.com * 32: advanced-web.com * 33: affiliatewithus.com * 34: affordable-mortgages.com * 35: agoramail.com * 36: albuquerquedental.com * 37: 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wowzers.net * 306: www.actnownames.com * 307: www.dsouzamail.com * 308: www.hostm.net Should be blocked at firewall so nothing ever comes from these POS, IMHO. --Chris

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SC manual blacklist pruned
by Jeff Chan 19 Nov '04

19 Nov '04

We have a manual blacklist for the SC list that I use to nudge records without enough hits onto SC (sooner than they otherwise would): http://spamcheck.freeapp.net/blacklist-domains I've pruned that list, removing domain names that have had no NS records for three successive checks over about five weeks. That has reduced the manual blacklist list by about 270 records. Before removing those I checked to see how many DNS hits they were getting and only notinuse.biz had any of significance, so we kept that one on the manual blacklist. SC will probably be manually pruned again some time in future, but the list (both automatic and manual) is so small and effective to begin with that it tends not to need to much manual maintenance. Note that cleaning up the manual blacklist is not the same as whitelisting. Any record that comes off the manual blacklist can be manually or automatically blacklisted again in future at any time if it appears in spams again. So it's not at all a "free pass" to spammers or anything like that. It just means some domains that are unusable and don't appear in any recent spams are no longer included on SC for now. If they get used again, they'll get listed again. I still plan to re-write the SC-specific engine and the general data engine used for processing the SURBL data. The main features will be more uniform processing of the data, including public logs of additions, deletions, whitelists, etc. Aside from SC, the results should be identical, and I will run them in parallel for a while to make sure that's the case. The SC data will be handle more efficiently and probably have an resolved-IP-based biasing system to get the domains of persistent spammers onto SC sooner, automatically. Cheers, Jeff C. -- "If it appears in hams, then don't list it."

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] general questions.....
by Chris Santerre 19 Nov '04

19 Nov '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Steven Champeon [mailto:schampeo@hesketh.com] >Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 4:23 PM >To: 'SURBL Discussion list' >Subject: Re: [SURBL-Discuss] general questions..... > > >on Thu, Nov 18, 2004 at 03:29:14PM -0500, Chris Santerre wrote: >> >> > >> >SHould we post the top 25 lookups to SURBL? This way people >can look at >> >maybe denying these by IP at firewall? >> > >> >--Chris >> >(I am an anal-retentive and highly-clueful well-motivated >maniac.) ;) >> >> AN example to my own question: >> 63.251.163.112 > >Erm, that's in eNom space. FYI. It's a default "hosted by eNom" IP. > and? :) -Chris

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Re: [SURBL-Discuss] general questions.....
by Joe Zitnik 18 Nov '04

18 Nov '04

Not us. THings are holding pretty steady. Two days 43,000 e-mails, 32,000 spam (Each rounded up about a hundred). That's about par for the course for us. >>> Lindsay Snider <lindsay(a)pa.net> 11/18/2004 5:08:55 PM >>> On Thursday 18 November 2004 03:13 pm, Chris Santerre wrote: > Have any of you seen fewer spams? I don't see many these days. Our graphs show the rates decreasing. http://user.pa.net/~lindsay/year_block.png I'm not sure what other factors could be causing the graphs to tend downward but I do know the mail volume has increased and the code rbl/block code has not changed. > > About 15% of the spams I get are not in SURBL, but are by the time I try to > add :) > > I have not done any study of domains that continue to try to spam despite > being in SURBL. Any numbers on these? Possibly the most/longest hit domain > in SURBL lookups?? I also haven't done a study recently but I could contribute data for analysis if we wanted to study any of it. -Lindsay _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list Discuss(a)lists.surbl.org http://lists.surbl.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss

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Re: [SURBL-Discuss] need help on this one
by Patrik Nilsson 18 Nov '04

18 Nov '04

At 15:45 2004-11-18 -0500, Chris Santerre wrote: >Looks like an obvious spam reported. Yet NO NANAS reports and domain from >Dec 2001. Linkagents.com is connected to same domain, so no zombie there. > >agentleads.com > >I'm leaning towards adding. I'm thinking someone purchased the old domain. Both linkagents.com and agentleads.com are registered to Whitehouse.com Inc. Dan "whitehouse.com" Parasi announced he was changed his focus from adult porn to real-estate earlier this year, and that he was selling Whitehouse.com Inc and the 100s of domains in it's possession. So... either he found a buyer, or this is Dan himself, promoting his real-estated business. Either way, I'd say 100% spam. Patrik

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need help on this one
by Chris Santerre 18 Nov '04

18 Nov '04

Looks like an obvious spam reported. Yet NO NANAS reports and domain from Dec 2001. Linkagents.com is connected to same domain, so no zombie there. agentleads.com I'm leaning towards adding. I'm thinking someone purchased the old domain. Return-Path: <bounce-21069-1965066(a)news.linkagents.com> Received: from news.linkagents.com (news.linkagents.com [209.67.37.178]) by realtyroad.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id iAIAklS11000 for <gene(a)MUNGED.com>; Thu, 18 Nov 2004 02:46:47 -0800 From: "Agentleads.com" <news(a)linkagents.com> To: gene(a)MUNGED.com Subject: AgentLeads.com-Get your territory today. 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