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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] Re: [SURBL-Announce] SURBL stats: list hit r a tes measured in DNS
by Chris Santerre 16 Nov '04

16 Nov '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Jose Marcio Martins da Cruz [mailto:Jose-Marcio.Martins@ensmp.fr] >Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 3:27 PM >To: SM >Cc: Chris Santerre; Jeff Chan >Subject: Re: [SURBL-Discuss] Re: [SURBL-Announce] SURBL stats: list hit >ra tes measured in DNS > > >SM wrote: > >>> > http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr/urlbl/urlbl.txt >> >Wrong link... > >http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr/jeff/urlbl/urlbl.txt > >Jose-Marcio Thanks, but..... These stats are pretty useless: STATS BY URL BL ================================================= * ab.surbl 139803 38226 * j-chkmail 207945 54310 * multi.surbl 175657 54486 * ob.surbl 990 260 * sc.surbl 220 180 * ws.surbl 354 246 Because you said it goes by alphabet and stops at first hit. Mutli.surbl contains everything in SC and WS. So everything after mutli is of no use. Your other stats are cool though ;) --Chris

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domain check dealsforrecruiters.net
by Chris Santerre 16 Nov '04

16 Nov '04

I've got numerous reports on these guys. But I can't make up my mind. But I have at least 6 spammy looking submitted mails. so anyone got an opinion on dealsforrecruiters.net? --Chris

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FW: SURBL+ Checker Submission
by Chris Santerre 16 Nov '04

16 Nov '04

Both domains in this submission are Whitelisted. Let me guess..... sina.com and 6to23.com appear in ham :/ --Chris >-----Original Message----- >From: SURBL+ Checker >Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 3:16 AM >Subject: SURBL+ Checker Submission > > >Date: Fri Nov 12 02:16:03 2004 >Reporter IP: MUNGED > >Applicable List: URIBL:ws.surbl.org >Reported URI/IP: 6to23.com >Rating: Black - 100% spam > >Email Source: >---------------------------------------- > >Received: from hotmail.com (unverified) by mailgate.munged.mungo!! > (Content Technologies SMTPRS 4.3.14) with ESMTP id ><T6d361aa1e8ac1000026e8(a)mailgate.freakingmunge.com> for <info(a)mungymungomunged.com>; > Thu, 11 Nov 2004 22:12:30 +0000 >Message-ID: <T6d361aa1e8ac1000026e8(a)mailgate.isaidmunge.com> >From: "nbbv(a)hotmail.com" <nbbv(a)hotmail.com> >Subject: Promote your business >To: Mungo likes to munge the munging! >Content-Type: text/html;charset="GB2312" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >Reply-To: nbbv(a)hotmail.com >Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 06:11:33 +0800 >X-Priority: 3 >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1106 > ><STYLE type="text/css"> > ></STYLE> ></HEAD> ><BODY> >Promote your business ! > >  We offer you e-mail addresses databases >for advertisement mailing; we sell databases >also carry out mailing and hosting for the >advertising projects. > >Products > >World Email Lists .  Their validity >and originality are verified. Black"><A href="http://asp3.6to23.com/oss/index.htm" >target="_blank">Details please go to >our website</A> > >Country or area total emails and price > >America      175 Million Email >Address >Europe       156 Million Email >Address >Asia         168 Million >Email Address >China(PRC)   80 Million Email Address >  >HongKong     3.25 Million Email >Address >TaiWan       2.25 Million >Email Address >Japan        27 Million >Email Address  >Australia    6 Million Email Address > >Canada       10 Million Email >Address   >Russia       38 Million Email >Address >England      22 Million Email >Address >German       40 Million >Email Address   >France       38 Million Email >Address >India        12 Million >Email Address >other Country or Area   > >--------------------------------------------------------------- >------------------------------ >            >            >           >            >  >Category Name total emails > >Apparel, Fashion, Textiles and Leather  4,654,565 > >Automobile & Transportation     >        6,547,845 >Business Services         >            >  6,366,344 >Chemicals           >            >        3,445,565 >Computer & Telecommunications    >       654,655 >Construction & Real Estate     >         3,443,544 > >Consumer Electronics       >            > 1,333,443 >Energy, Minerals & Metals     >          6,765,683 > >Environment           >            >      656,533 >Food & Agriculture       >            >   1,235,354       >            > >Gems & Jewellery       >            >     565,438 >Health & Beauty       >            >      804,654 >Home Supplies         >            >      323,232 >Industrial Supplies        >            > 415,668 >Office Supplies         >            >    1,559,892 >Packaging & Paper      >            >     5,675,648 >Printing & Publishing       >            >6,563,445 >Security & Protection       >            >5,653,494 >Sports & Entertainment     >            > 3,488,455 >Toys, Gifts and Handicrafts    >         2,135,654 > >--------------------------------------------------------------- >------------------------------ > >¡¤All of Country email lists + email sender >express +add url express + etrae express+Ebook >--------------------------------------------------------------- >------------------------------ > > > >Send Your Ad to Millions > >5 million bulk email >50 million bulk email >100 million bulk email >200 million bulk email > >Imagine emailing 500,000 recipients and 1 >out of every 1000 orders your product, that's >500 new orders! >* We go all-out to make sure our customers >are completely satisfied >* If any emails fail to make delivery, we >replace them free of charge >* 100% Spam free, rest assured you will not >be accused of spamming >* Almost all of our emails are sent to valid >email addresses >* No software required, we do all the mailing >from our own server >* Don't be fooled in signing up with similar >sites offering services that cannot compare >to ours >* Get the most bang for your buck with bulk >email advantage! >--------------------------------------------------------------- >------------------------------ > > > ><A href="http://asp3.6to23.com/oss/index.htm" >target="_blank">Details go to >website</A> > > > > >the email company > >copyright¡¤2004-2005 all reserved > > >------------------------------------------------------------ >remove please email: <A >href="mailto:emailad1234@sina.com?Subject=remove">emailad1234@s >ina.com</A> >------------------------------------------------------------ ></BODY> > >---------------------------------------- > >

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Should we list ratware?
by Chris Santerre 16 Nov '04

16 Nov '04

MailinglistMaster.com They produce StealthMail Master 5.0, rateware. "The anonymous bulk email software you need to protect your connection from being shut down when you send out bulk email. With this new technology your ISP will not have a problem with your bulk e-mail operation. It uses special proxies for anonymity. Reliable proxy service comes with the software. Proxies are updated daily. We update our proxies several times a day. The program gets its speed from up to 300 concurrent connections to different proxy servers. We carefully select the proxies we add to our database.Instant and very accurate delivery rate is assessed by the program. This is the most reliable proxy mailer out there. It is sold on a membership basis. You can purchase either a monthly or a lifetime membership." --Chris

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Computer being repaired
by SURBL 16 Nov '04

16 Nov '04

Hi all, Please note that I may not be able to respond as quickly as I'd like for a day or so since I need to repair my main computer. This is only referring to my personal mail. SURBL stuff should run just fine, as usual. (Chris S., my PC locked up in JO. Now the video BIOS won't even come up.... :-( Power supply measures ok with no load, so maybe the motherboard is hosed. Might be the power supply though.) Jeff C.

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] Re: [SURBL-Announce] SURBL stats: list hit r a tes measured in DNS
by Chris Santerre 15 Nov '04

15 Nov '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Jose Marcio Martins da Cruz [mailto:Jose-Marcio.Martins@ensmp.fr] >Sent: Monday, November 15, 2004 3:50 PM >To: Chris Santerre >Cc: SM; SURBL Discussion list (E-mail); Jeff Chan >Subject: Re: [SURBL-Discuss] Re: [SURBL-Announce] SURBL stats: list hit >r a tes measured in DNS > > >Chris Santerre wrote: > >>Thanks, but..... >> >>These stats are pretty useless: >> STATS BY URL BL >> >>================================================= >> >> * ab.surbl 139803 38226 >> * j-chkmail 207945 54310 >> * multi.surbl 175657 54486 >> * ob.surbl 990 260 >> * sc.surbl 220 180 >> * ws.surbl 354 246 >> >>Because you said it goes by alphabet and stops at first hit. >Mutli.surbl >>contains everything in SC and WS. So everything after mutli >is of no use. >> > >You're wrong. > >If some entries were found at WS and SC, this means that they >aren't at >MULTI. > >Why ? There may be a race condition : as multi is created from other >bls, it may be possible that when I rsync, SC and WS where already >updated but not MULTI. > >Quite interesting indeed... > >I rsync data every two hours. It could be interesting to change >periodicity and see what happens. > Well yeah, you could look at a rotten apple and see it as a chance to study penicillin as well ;) So yeah, that would be the only explanation as to why there are any hits at all for those servers. But as general hit sites for those servers, those stats aren't going to help. Heck, it's only good for your first one :) --Chris Wait a minute! Whats a guy named Jose doing with a .fr TLD? ;)

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] safe.surbl.org concerns
by Chris Santerre 15 Nov '04

15 Nov '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: Jeff Chan [mailto:jeffc@surbl.org] >Sent: Friday, November 12, 2004 9:36 PM >To: 'SURBL Discussion list' >Subject: Re: [SURBL-Discuss] safe.surbl.org concerns > > >On Friday, November 12, 2004, 6:16:48 PM, Rob McEwen wrote: >> RE: safe.surbl.org concerns > >> While I do see the reasoning behind the need for a "golden" >list that users >> can feel **particularly** secure about using in a MTA-like >"set it and >> forget it" type of blocking... I can help but wonder: > >> (1) Wasn't the original goal of ALL surbl.org to have a low >enough FP rate >> to be able to operate in "set it and forget it" MTA-like >blocking mode? (I >> guess the answer to this question is that Fortune-500 types >want a really, >> really powerful assurance that they can employ SURBL with >virtually zero >> FPs?) > >Yes, but it seems really difficult to achieve perfection in any >given list. > >This is a proposal for some experiments to see if we can derive a >"carrier grade" list, as Carl Friend called it off list, from >some of the existing data. Haven't picked any names yet. > >> (2) Even so, can I (we) be assured that having a "golden" >list like this >> will NOT diminish our standards with the regular list. > >Yes, we will not be dumping a bunch of grey entries into any of >the existing lists. > >> In other words, I >> would like to know that the FP rate of the regular list will >at least stay >> the same (and hopefully continue to improve). > >Yes, that's what should happen. The FPs per existing list should >remain stable or be further improved. That remains a goal. > >> I'd hate to see SURBL >> administrators get "slack" by virtue of thinking "well, if >they wanted >> **that** level of low FPs, they should have used the golden list." > >I agree. We should not let that happen. As far as I'm concerned our >biggest challenge is reducing FPs. We're already doing a good >job of catching spam. I agree with Jeff. The ONLY list that is getting grey domains added is the UC list. Which is NOT an official SURL.org list. And it isn't ready for prime time yet. Lowering the FP rate in WS is the first and foremost goal for many contributors. WS will be as close to zero FP as we can humanly get. --Chris

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] Re: [SURBL-Announce] SURBL stats: list hit ra tes measured in DNS
by Chris Santerre 15 Nov '04

15 Nov '04

Linky no worky?? --Chris >-----Original Message----- >From: Jose Marcio Martins da Cruz [mailto:martins@ensmp.fr] >Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 3:25 PM >To: discuss(a)lists.surbl.org >Cc: martins(a)ensmp.fr >Subject: [SURBL-Discuss] Re: [SURBL-Announce] SURBL stats: list hit >rates measured in DNS > > > >Jeff, > >You'll find some stats from our mail server at : > > http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr/urlbl/urlbl.txt > >Some words about it : > >- When a list get a hit, it stops searching other lists. >- The first list checked is the our one. surbl lists are checked > just after our one, in alphabetical order. This means : > j-chkmail > ab.surbl.org > ... > >So, our stats doesn't show all lists, but if this interests you, >I can easily adapt our stats scripts to get hits for all lists. > >Either way, this shows that most spam detection using SURBL, at >our domain, comes from ab and multi. This conclusion is mitigated >by : >- many entries from our list (j-chkmail) may exist on ob/sc or ws. >- our list (j-chkmail) isn't being updated too frequently, because > as I said you before, I add entries only when they aren't yet > at surbl lists and surbl lists are being updated very fast... > >Best > >Jose-Marcio > > >> >> In order to explore some conjunctions of existing lists that >> might have fewer false positives, we've created some stats >> measuring the number of DNS hits against all blocklists that the >> individual lists get, along with some permutations of those lists. >> >> >> Jeff C. >> -- >> Jeff Chan >> mailto:jeffc@surbl.org >> http://www.surbl.org/ >> > >_______________________________________________ >Discuss mailing list >Discuss(a)lists.surbl.org >http://lists.surbl.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss >

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RE: [SURBL-Discuss] Computer being repaired
by Chris Santerre 15 Nov '04

15 Nov '04

>-----Original Message----- >From: SURBL [mailto:surbl@horse.supranet.net] >Sent: Sunday, November 14, 2004 11:10 PM >To: discuss(a)lists.surbl.org >Subject: [SURBL-Discuss] Computer being repaired > > >Hi all, >Please note that I may not be able to respond as quickly as I'd like >for a day or so since I need to repair my main computer. This >is only referring to my personal mail. SURBL stuff should run >just fine, as usual. > >(Chris S., my PC locked up in JO. Now the video BIOS won't even >come up.... :-( Power supply measures ok with no load, so maybe >the motherboard is hosed. Might be the power supply though.) > Crud! Any overclocking? Did you throw in a older video card to check? This is damn important to fix quickly. No not because of emails.... The JO expansion comes out tomorrow!!! :-) Let me know if I can be any help. Make sure your hard drive is still good. You got lots of good data! --Chris (The Geforce 6800 OC freaking rocks!!!)

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Re: [SURBL-Announce] SURBL stats: list hit rates measured in DNS
by Jose Marcio Martins da Cruz 14 Nov '04

14 Nov '04

Jeff, You'll find some stats from our mail server at : http://j-chkmail.ensmp.fr/urlbl/urlbl.txt Some words about it : - When a list get a hit, it stops searching other lists. - The first list checked is the our one. surbl lists are checked just after our one, in alphabetical order. This means : j-chkmail ab.surbl.org ... So, our stats doesn't show all lists, but if this interests you, I can easily adapt our stats scripts to get hits for all lists. Either way, this shows that most spam detection using SURBL, at our domain, comes from ab and multi. This conclusion is mitigated by : - many entries from our list (j-chkmail) may exist on ob/sc or ws. - our list (j-chkmail) isn't being updated too frequently, because as I said you before, I add entries only when they aren't yet at surbl lists and surbl lists are being updated very fast... Best Jose-Marcio > > In order to explore some conjunctions of existing lists that > might have fewer false positives, we've created some stats > measuring the number of DNS hits against all blocklists that the > individual lists get, along with some permutations of those lists. > > > Jeff C. > -- > Jeff Chan > mailto:jeffc@surbl.org > http://www.surbl.org/ >

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