I was doing some browsing of NANAE and came across something interesting. http://tinyurl.com/2xkyw
But the thread basically says that uptilt.com (a known spam sender) was hired by tonyrobbins.com to advertise. So they sent out spam. Now my question is, do we list them?
Do we list somewhat legit domains that hire these people without (or maybe with) the knowledge that they will spam? I'm leaning towards yes, in the hopes they will learn to choose their advertisers more carefully. Thoughts?
Chris Santerre System Admin and SARE Ninja http://www.rulesemporium.com 'It is not the strongest of the species that survives, not the most intelligent, but the one most responsive to change.' Charles Darwin
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Do we list somewhat legit domains that hire these people without (or maybe with) the knowledge that they will spam? I'm leaning towards yes, in the hopes they will learn to choose their advertisers more carefully. Thoughts?
If a domain deliberately sended out spam, with own resources or with hired resources, i would also lean towards yes.
If they dont have a clue what their advertisers are doing they should pay some attention, and listing them would be one way of showing their clueless level...
Bye, Raymond.
On Thursday, June 24, 2004, 9:16:51 AM, Chris Santerre wrote:
But the thread basically says that uptilt.com (a known spam sender) was hired by tonyrobbins.com to advertise. So they sent out spam. Now my question is, do we list them?
Do we list somewhat legit domains that hire these people without (or maybe with) the knowledge that they will spam? I'm leaning towards yes, in the hopes they will learn to choose their advertisers more carefully. Thoughts?
The answer I would prefer is to *not* list a mostly legitimate domain like tonyrobbins.com, but to let conventional RBLs list uptilt.com and their IPs as a spam sender. In other words, let spamhaus list uptilt's addresses and block on them, but don't list tonyrobbins.com in SURBLs since it could potentially be mentioned in legitimate messages. Of course it would not hurt to let the possibly legitimate company's lawyers know they should not use spammers, and cite the law being broken.
This one seems like a relatively clear division of responsibility to me. Others may be more or less clear.
Jeff C.
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In terms of the message, does uptilt.com have any links in it? often in this situation they'd have added an "unsubscribe" link of their own which SURBL would then catch.
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Jeff Chan writes:
On Thursday, June 24, 2004, 9:16:51 AM, Chris Santerre wrote:
But the thread basically says that uptilt.com (a known spam sender) was hired by tonyrobbins.com to advertise. So they sent out spam. Now my question is, do we list them?
Do we list somewhat legit domains that hire these people without (or maybe with) the knowledge that they will spam? I'm leaning towards yes, in the hopes they will learn to choose their advertisers more carefully. Thoughts?
The answer I would prefer is to *not* list a mostly legitimate domain like tonyrobbins.com, but to let conventional RBLs list uptilt.com and their IPs as a spam sender. In other words, let spamhaus list uptilt's addresses and block on them, but don't list tonyrobbins.com in SURBLs since it could potentially be mentioned in legitimate messages. Of course it would not hurt to let the possibly legitimate company's lawyers know they should not use spammers, and cite the law being broken.
This one seems like a relatively clear division of responsibility to me. Others may be more or less clear.
Jeff C.
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On Thursday, June 24, 2004, 1:16:08 PM, Justin Mason wrote:
In terms of the message, does uptilt.com have any links in it? often in this situation they'd have added an "unsubscribe" link of their own which SURBL would then catch.
Apparently uptilt.com does appear in message bodies since I see it appearing once on SpamCop's spamvertised sites. Chris adding it to ws.surbl.org could be ok.
FWIW I've whitelisted some Tony Robbins domains:
tonyrobbins.de tonyrobbins.co.uk tonyrobbins.com
Jeff C.
-----Original Message----- From: discuss-bounces@lists.surbl.org [mailto:discuss- bounces@lists.surbl.org] On Behalf Of Jeff Chan Sent: Friday, 25 June 2004 6:56 AM To: SURBL Discuss Subject: Re: [SURBL-Discuss] A question on policy
Apparently uptilt.com does appear in message bodies since I see it appearing once on SpamCop's spamvertised sites. Chris adding it to ws.surbl.org could be ok.
FWIW - we have had uptilt.com listed in our internal lists for quite a while.
Jeff's policy is pretty much identical to ours - we don't generally block first time offenders (read: Anthony Robbins) who are known to generally be reasonable quality content providers.
We do however block on site any "Marketing Partners" who have decided to "Market" to our customers who have not subscribed to the list - in this case uptilt.com
Cheers!
Dave
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