Hi
can someone please explain to me why all new domains we register are automatically listed with SUBRL - JP.
Thanks Jason
On 02/03/2014 01:53 AM, Jason van Wyk wrote:
Hi
can someone please explain to me why all new domains we register are automatically listed with SUBRL - JP.
JP - jwSpamSpy + Prolocation sites
Joe Wein's jwSpamSpy program forms the basis of the JP data, being used both by Joe's own systems and also Raymond Dijkxhoorn and his colleagues at Prolocation. Prolocation is processing more than 300,000 likely unsolicited messages per day using jwSpamSpy plus their own policies and adding them to Joe's data.
You need to speak to the upstream source. A little Googling turns up an address for raymond at prolocation.net that you might want to try. I'm pretty sure he'll see your message here as well, but you might do better to contact him directly.
- Ron
Hai Ron,
can someone please explain to me why all new domains we register are automatically listed with SUBRL - JP.
JP - jwSpamSpy + Prolocation sites
Joe Wein's jwSpamSpy program forms the basis of the JP data, being used both by Joe's own systems and also Raymond Dijkxhoorn and his colleagues at Prolocation. Prolocation is processing more than 300,000 likely unsolicited messages per day using jwSpamSpy plus their own policies and adding them to Joe's data.
You need to speak to the upstream source. A little Googling turns up an address for raymond at prolocation.net that you might want to try. I'm pretty sure he'll see your message here as well, but you might do better to contact him direct
Not really. He should use the removal form for Delisting requests.
http://www.surbl.org/surbl-analysis
And if he is unable to use the form he can try whitelist@surbl.org
He didnt mention any of the domains so i cannot comment what datasource caused the listings. But filling out the removal form would be a good startingpoint.
Thanks, Raymond Dijkxhoorn - SURBL.
On 02/03/2014 02:28 AM, Raymond Dijkxhoorn wrote:
Hai Ron,
can someone please explain to me why all new domains we register are automatically listed with SUBRL - JP.
JP - jwSpamSpy + Prolocation sites
Joe Wein's jwSpamSpy program forms the basis of the JP data, being used both by Joe's own systems and also Raymond Dijkxhoorn and his colleagues at Prolocation. Prolocation is processing more than 300,000 likely unsolicited messages per day using jwSpamSpy plus their own policies and adding them to Joe's data.
You need to speak to the upstream source. A little Googling turns up an address for raymond at prolocation.net that you might want to try. I'm pretty sure he'll see your message here as well, but you might do better to contact him direct
Not really. He should use the removal form for Delisting requests.
He didn't ask to be removed, he asked why they show up there in the first place. This seems to be an on-going problem for SURBL. Every question asked gets told to request a whitelisting, even though that usually isn't what the questioner has asked for. Directing him to whitelisting avoids both solving whatever problem there is and answering the question he asked.
- Ron
Hello Ron,
Joe Wein's jwSpamSpy program forms the basis of the JP data, being used both by Joe's own systems and also Raymond Dijkxhoorn and his colleagues at Prolocation. Prolocation is processing more than 300,000 likely unsolicited messages per day using jwSpamSpy plus their own policies and adding them to Joe's data.
You need to speak to the upstream source. A little Googling turns up an address for raymond at prolocation.net that you might want to try. I'm pretty sure he'll see your message here as well, but you might do better to contact him direct
Not really. He should use the removal form for Delisting requests.
He didn't ask to be removed, he asked why they show up there in the first place. This seems to be an on-going problem for SURBL. Every question asked gets told to request a whitelisting, even though that usually isn't what the questioner has asked for. Directing him to whitelisting avoids both solving whatever problem there is and answering the question he asked.
We are not going to talk over why your domains are listed unless the form will be filled out. Simple as that. This can be based on intelligence that we are not willing to discuss on a public mailinglist. This is not a ongoing problem this is standard behaviour. And works pretty well.
You assume there is a problem, we will find out soon enough when the form is filled out.
Will will not discuss here why domains get listed. Sorry.
Thanks, Raymond.
Thanks Ron, you hit the nail spot on.
Raymond, I have not asked to be delisted, nor did I ask how it works. I am very well aware of how the delisting process works. I just wanted to find out why domains get listed if they are freshly registered. I registered 4 domains in the past 4 days and all of them show up as blacklisted. Yet I ask myself, how can these domains be listed if there was no traffic being sent from them at all. And no, our server is not comprised and sending out spam via a script. I purely want to know how and what would cause this, as this makes no sense to me whatsoever. I will send you an email with the domains. I would appreciate if you could enlighten me how and why they have been listed, as I barely have hair left ;)
To all others, thanks for the replies. Appreciated.
On Mon, Feb 3, 2014 at 9:53 AM, Raymond Dijkxhoorn raymond@prolocation.netwrote:
Hello Ron,
Joe Wein's jwSpamSpy program forms the basis of the JP data, being used both by Joe's own systems and also Raymond Dijkxhoorn and his
colleagues
at Prolocation. Prolocation is processing more than 300,000 likely unsolicited messages per day using jwSpamSpy plus their own policies
and
adding them to Joe's data.
You need to speak to the upstream source. A little Googling turns up
an
address for raymond at prolocation.net that you might want to try.
I'm
pretty sure he'll see your message here as well, but you might do
better
to contact him direct
Not really. He should use the removal form for Delisting requests.
He didn't ask to be removed, he asked why they show up there in the first place. This seems to be an on-going problem for SURBL. Every question asked gets told to request a whitelisting, even though that usually isn't what the questioner has asked for. Directing him to whitelisting avoids both solving whatever problem there is and answering the question he asked.
We are not going to talk over why your domains are listed unless the form will be filled out. Simple as that. This can be based on intelligence that we are not willing to discuss on a public mailinglist. This is not a ongoing problem this is standard behaviour. And works pretty well.
You assume there is a problem, we will find out soon enough when the form is filled out.
Will will not discuss here why domains get listed. Sorry.
Thanks, Raymond.
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Jason,
I have not asked to be delisted, nor did I ask how it works. I am very well aware of how the delisting process works.
Great.
I just wanted to find out why domains get listed if they are freshly registered. I registered 4 domains in the past 4 days and all of them show up as blacklisted. Yet I ask myself, how can these domains be listed if there was no traffic being sent from them at all. And no, our server is not comprised and sending out spam via a script. I purely want to know how and what would cause this, as this makes no sense to me whatsoever.
This can have various reasons. But we will not disclose listing policy's here. Without knowing the domains i cannot tell you much more.
I will send you an email with the domains. I would appreciate if you could enlighten me how and why they have been listed, as I barely have hair left ;)
Good. Let me have a look.
Thanks, Raymond Dijkxhoorn - SURBL.
Hello Jason,
Delisting requests are not beeing handled on the mailinglist. Neither to personal adresses.
This is done via:
http://www.surbl.org/surbl-analysis
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