As some of you may have read, I have set up an "unconfirmed" ("uc") list (or grey list), ready for submissions. It seems to me that there are at least a few active members of this list interested in giving this a shot.
Currently, I am the only one with access to the data, but this can easily be changed to include a small number of trusted individuals with an interest in helping out.
Here's how it works (and I'm putting this out as a starting point for discussion, not the gospel!)
1. When classifying domains for SURBL, continue to employ the same level of effort you do to find all domains worthy of blacklisting, and submit those to the usual sources.
2. For the domains that don't fit black lists or white lists, they *may* be candidates for uc. However, we only want to list domains in uc that are highly spammy, with only very small potential for legitimate use.
HOW TO SUBMIT: a) Chris Santerre has suggested domains for inclusion in uc be posted to the SURBL mailing list, and only be included after receiving a total of three votes. I'll go with that, and suggest using a Subject like "UC: domain.com" for easy spotting.
b) I'd also encourage submitters to email the submission address, uc@sasknow.com, with private submissions of one or more domains, one per line.
I'll handle private submissions in the same way as mailing list submissions; if I get three separate private submissions for the same domain (or maybe two, plus my own hand-checked vote), I'll list the domain in uc.
I'll track the number of unique submissions in the TXT field. I'd suggest whitelisting through the usual channels.
Suggestions (public or private) on the submission and inclusion criteria are most welcome. I've tried to capture the gist of what others have seemed to best agree on, but there is probably room for improvement. I can throw up a quick web site once things solidify a little.
Once the list grows to sufficient size (maybe 100-200 domains?), we should be able to get a good idea of the usefulness. Once that happens, it will probably be more obvious how public we should make the data.
- Ryan
Hi!
Here's how it works (and I'm putting this out as a starting point for discussion, not the gospel!)
Uhm, sorry?
- When classifying domains for SURBL, continue to employ the same level of effort you do to find all domains worthy of blacklisting, and submit those to the usual sources.
This is in no way a SURBL project. SURBL staff listens to the discussion here, and we are talking behind the scenes to get things more streamlined. Feel free to start own projects, in fact, we would be happy to see more projects taking off.
Ryan, i am not trying to be an ass, but somehow with this proposal you seem to feel things are not going fast enough, or not exactly the way you want to see it. So you basicly move on, and dont care what SURBL staff thinks of the project. You could have asked for a @surbl mailbox to set things up, or at least something like 'is it ok if i announce this?'
If Ryan (or someone else) wants to take submissions directly, for different lists, fine, but do not use the mailinglist for this purpose, the volume is high enough as it is now.
Again, this mail is not trying to upset anyone, i think most of you will understand our point of view, if not we would be willing to point that out offlist.
Thanks for your time, Raymond.
Raymond Dijkxhoorn wrote to SURBL Discussion list:
Hi!
Hi Raymond!
Here's how it works (and I'm putting this out as a starting point for discussion, not the gospel!)
Uhm, sorry?
Gospel? Kind of a colloquialism derived from a religious term, meaning "absolute" or "not open to debate".
- When classifying domains for SURBL, continue to employ the same level of effort you do to find all domains worthy of blacklisting, and submit those to the usual sources.
This is in no way a SURBL project. SURBL staff listens to the discussion here, and we are talking behind the scenes to get things more streamlined. Feel free to start own projects, in fact, we would be happy to see more projects taking off.
I've been quite vocal in this discussion because I do believe that this *would* be a good thing for SURBL. But it isn't just me!
Ryan, i am not trying to be an ass, but somehow with this proposal you seem to feel things are not going fast enough, or not exactly the way you want to see it.
Actually, I was responding to a genuine interest from several readers of this very list to get something set up and try it out. My "proposal" was mostly just a public summary of the good ideas presented publicly and off-list, and had little to do with my own "feelings" on the matter...
So you basicly move on, and dont care what SURBL staff thinks of the project. You could have asked for a @surbl mailbox to set things up, or at least something like 'is it ok if i announce this?'
OK, I'll grant you that. I had no intention of ruffling the feathers of any "SURBL staff". You have my apologies.
If Ryan (or someone else) wants to take submissions directly, for different lists, fine, but do not use the mailinglist for this purpose, the volume is high enough as it is now.
No problem.
Again, this mail is not trying to upset anyone, i think most of you will understand our point of view, if not we would be willing to point that out offlist.
Thanks! I'll take you up on that! :-)
- Ryan
All,
I'm *really* glad to see all of the lively discussion going on here regarding the grey list / uc idea. That alone, I think, speaks to the potential of such an idea. However, as Raymond and Jeff have both pointed out, they're not at all keen on including this in the SURBL project itself, and want to keep mailing list traffic down.
I respect that. I also still think there's a lot of merit to the UC list. I'd like to protect SURBL's interests, and make the new list happen. So, I'd encourage anyone interested in the grey list / uc idea to contact me off-list at ryan@sasknow.com so we can get organized, move forward, and also respect the wishes of the fine surbl.org folks.
Cheers! - Ryan
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