-----Original Message----- From: Jeff Chan [mailto:jeffc@surbl.org] Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 2004 9:48 AM To: SURBL Discuss Subject: Re: [SURBL-Discuss] WS & DS FP?
On Tuesday, August 24, 2004, 6:46:01 AM, Chris Santerre wrote:
Sorry I just noticed yesmail.com is listed is SURBL. So
clickaction.net
should be as well. They are one in the same.
Listings should not necessarily be associative. The real test remains as "how spammy are they?" Do these guys do anything legitimate? The NANAS customers of clickaction looked pretty legitimate to me, assuming they're really customers.
Jeff C.
I agree. But the legit companies were spamming. That was what I was trying to say, although poorly :) Some of the NANAS posts have legit companies in them, but are spam. Most likely they paid a company to market them. Or they tried there hand at doing it themselves and purchased a list. This looks like the main focus of yesmail/clickaction. A mass email marketing company. SO they will get legit companies to pay them to advertise/spam for them.
They are a spammer for hier. I don't see them in ANY legit mail other then this one single run with itworld. And that is because of a seminar on how to use email for mass marketing! I may get overruled on this one, but I'm sticking to my guns that they are spammers.
--Chris
On Tue, 24 Aug 2004 10:16:39 -0400, Chris Santerre csanterre@merchantsoverseas.com wrote:
I agree. But the legit companies were spamming. That was what I was trying to say, although poorly :) Some of the NANAS posts have legit companies in them, but are spam. Most likely they paid a company to market them. Or they tried there hand at doing it themselves and purchased a list. This looks like the main focus of yesmail/clickaction. A mass email marketing company. SO they will get legit companies to pay them to advertise/spam for them.
They are a spammer for hier. I don't see them in ANY legit mail other then this one single run with itworld. And that is because of a seminar on how to use email for mass marketing! I may get overruled on this one, but I'm sticking to my guns that they are spammers.
I'm with Chris, string them up!
How about a slightly more moderate approach, lets not whitelist them, but lets remove them from the list for now. If they re-offend then we list them until such time as they prove themselves as whitehat.
This kind of domain is a very slippery one, it incredibly hard to put them on either side of the FP fence.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Santerre" csanterre@merchantsoverseas.com
I agree. But the legit companies were spamming. That was what I was trying to say, although poorly :) Some of the NANAS posts have legit companies in them, but are spam. Most likely they paid a company to market them. Or
they
tried there hand at doing it themselves and purchased a list. This looks like the main focus of yesmail/clickaction. A mass email marketing
company.
SO they will get legit companies to pay them to advertise/spam for them.
They are a spammer for hier. I don't see them in ANY legit mail other then this one single run with itworld. And that is because of a seminar on how
to
use email for mass marketing! I may get overruled on this one, but I'm sticking to my guns that they are spammers.
The IT World newsletter link to clickaction had nothing to do with a mass marketing seminar. If you review my original post again, you will see that it was used for a very legitimate purpose, to allow users that have problems viewing their IT World newsletter subscription in HTML format to be able to change it to a text based format - that was it, pure and simple.
There are lots of other ways to block clickaction if people feel that that is necessary, however, since there are obviously very legitimate uses for clickaction services by very legitimate companies, I do not feel that listing them in any of the SURBL is appropriate. My vote is to keep them whitelisted for now.
Bill
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